Thomas Jefferson Papers

Joseph C. Cabell to Thomas Jefferson, 23 January 1823

From Joseph C. Cabell

Richmond. 23d Jan: 1823.

Dear Sir,

Your favor of 13th inst came safely to hand by the mail. I have shewn it to Mr Gordon & Mr Rives. My own impression is that in touching the subject of the unliquidated debt, we should merely guard against future unfavorable imputations, by stating that it might and probably would exceed the conjectural amount mentioned in your letter, and that when you wrote, the settlement was in a progressive state. The county delegates seem disposed to say nothing about it. I have referred the matter to their discretion. When the bill gets to the Senate, I shall say something on the subject. In regard to the Academies & primary schools,1 I think our most prudent course at this time is neither to enter into an alliance with them, nor to make war upon them. It would be difficult to imagine a state of things in regard to these other branches of the system, more favorable to us2 than that which now exists. The funds are limited, & we wish to avoid a competitor. The Colleges cannot all be gratified, & they will defeat one another. The primary schools are in a state of discredit, and the public mind is not now disposed to encrease the appropriation to them. If we amend the system at this time, & give it credit & honor, this ally will become our worst enemy. The popular branch of the system would swallow up all the funds. Even now an effort will be made to divide with us in every appropriation: but the discredit into which the popular branch has fallen will defeat the measure. Besides there are great intrinsic difficulties in the subject. When your bill was brought in some years ago by Mr Taylor of Chesterfield, I consulted all the best heads of my acquaintance then about the seat of government, and every effort was made to smooth away the difficulties of the subject: & tho’ many plans were suggested, none met with general approbation. At some future time, I would cheerfully enter again on this difficult & thorny question. I think we would do well to decline it at this time, & take advantage of the favorable breeze that now wafts us along. I have imparted these views to Mr Rives, and left him to pursue his own course. Mr Gordon concurs with me. Mr Rives did not propose to move the subject of the primary schools till the Loan bill should be acted on. But the bonds will remain to be cancelled, and the objections would continue till the University should get into operation. I have thought & still think, that we should act with good faith to the primary schools: but that would dictate merely that we should not attempt to take from them any of the $45,0003 till experience & public opinion demand the measure. I have attempted in the county where I reside to exhibit proofs of my real desire to give that system a fair trial. Our proceedings were printed & distributed over the state. But last year, I saw more clearly than ever the inherent defects of that system. It will require great alteration & amendment. But for us to move in it, I think, the time has not arrived. As to the Colleges & Academies, I differ from some of our friends. I would vote for an appropriation to Hampden Sidney, & not wait till the funds shall be sufficient for the whole corps of Colleges. I think some aid to that College would now be useful & well timed. However, on this subject, as on that of the question of removing the seat of government, I think we should not discover the zeal of partizans. Politeness to all, interference with none, & devotion to our object, constitute the policy that ought, in my opinion, to govern the course of the friends of the University at this time. You must be surprized at the slow progress of our bill. The tardiness of its movement is to be regretted. But I do not know how it could be avoided. If it had been called up out of its regular turn perhaps the irregularity of the course might give rise to animadversions. It will be read in its turn for the first time to-day or to-morrow. It went thro’ the Committee without opposition. It will doubtless be opposed in the House, but from every thing I can learn I think there cannot be much doubt of its success. Should it pass late in the session, I should hope that a meeting on the 1st monday in April, might answer the purposes of the Institution. There could be no doubt of the confirmation of the Loan by the Board, & the delay would probably throw the loss of interest on the Literary Fund, & save so much to the University.

I am Dr sir, ever faithfully yr friend

Joseph C. Cabell.

RC (ViU: TJP-PC); addressed: “Mr Jefferson Monticello”; postmarked Richmond, 23 Jan.; endorsed by TJ as received 27 Jan. 1823 and so recorded in SJL.

your letter: University of Virginia Board of Visitors Report to Literary Fund President and Directors, 7 Oct. 1822. your bill: TJ’s Bill for Establishing a System of Public Education, [ca. 24 Oct. 1817]. For the $45,000 for the education of the children of poor Virginians, see TJ to Cabell, 28 Jan. 1819, and note. our proceedings: Proceedings of the Board of School Commissioners, in the County of Nelson (Richmond, 1821).

1Cabell here canceled “my own.”

2Preceding two words interlined.

3Remainder of sentence interlined, with superfluous period editorially omitted.

Index Entries

  • A Bill, Concerning the University of Virginia (1823) search
  • Cabell, Joseph Carrington; and education in Nelson Co. search
  • Cabell, Joseph Carrington; as member of University of Virginia Board of Visitors search
  • Cabell, Joseph Carrington; as Va. state senator search
  • Cabell, Joseph Carrington; letters from search
  • Central College; inspection and settlement of accounts of search
  • education; elementary search
  • education; in Va. search
  • education; of the poor search
  • Gordon, William Fitzhugh; as Va. legislator search
  • Hampden-Sydney College; funding for search
  • Jefferson, Thomas; Writings; A Bill for Establishing a System of Public Education search
  • Literary Fund; and aid for Va. academies and colleges search
  • Literary Fund; and loans for University of Virginia search
  • Literary Fund; and primary education search
  • Literary Fund; University of Virginia Board of Visitors reports to search
  • Nelson County, Va.; Proceedings of the Board of School Commissioners, in the County of Nelson search
  • Proceedings of the Board of School Commissioners, in the County of Nelson search
  • Richmond, Va.; state capitol at search
  • Rives, William Cabell; as Va. legislator search
  • schools and colleges; Hampden-Sydney College search
  • Taylor, Samuel (1781–1853); as Va. legislator search
  • Virginia, University of; Administration and Financial Affairs; and remission of debt search
  • Virginia, University of; Administration and Financial Affairs; funding for search
  • Virginia, University of; Administration and Financial Affairs; inspection and settlement of accounts of search
  • Virginia, University of; Board of Visitors; and loans for University of Virginia search
  • Virginia, University of; Board of Visitors; annual reports of search
  • Virginia, University of; Board of Visitors; meetings of search
  • Virginia, University of; Establishment; and General Assembly search
  • Virginia, University of; Establishment; opposition to search
  • Virginia; and education search
  • Virginia; General Assembly search
  • Virginia; House of Delegates search
  • Virginia; Senate of search