Philip Schuyler to George Washington, 4 May 1781
From Philip Schuyler
Saratoga [N.Y.] May 4th 1781
Dear Sir
Yesterday I received, under cover of a letter from General Clinton dated the preceeding the day copy of Your Excellency’s Letter of the 15th April, to Governor Clinton, with one from him of the 16th covering the Information given by Harris; Mr Fish who delivered me those letters is a man of fair character And has given good evidence of invariable Attatchment to the cause of his country, Harris is an utter stranger to me;1 Fish deliverd the inclosed as from Harris to General Clinton who transmitted it to me2—I have sent for Harris to meet me here on the 7th Instant, shall carefully examine him And If he appears intelligent and that reliance may be placed in him, shall put him into a train to acquire the full confidence of the Enemy that we may avail ourselves of any intelligence he may obtain or of any letters which may be confided to him.
The conduct of the Vermontese is mysterious And if the reports which generally prevail are well founded their measures will certainly be attended with dangerous consequences to this and the other united States, I cannot however believe that the bulk of the people are in the Secret, I rather conjecture that the person whom we suspected last year to have been in New York, and some others are the only culpable ones, and that they amuse the people with making them believe that the whole of their negociation with Halderman is merely Calculated to give Congress and this state, the Alarm that the Independance of Vermont may be acknowledged,3 I was anxious for ceeding the Jurisdiction beyond a twenty mile line from Hudsons river,4 that their Independance might be immediately acknowledged and they made useful to the Common cause but the Governor put a stop to the business “as the affair was referred to the decission of Congress” I sincerely wish they would speedily decide, acknowledge them independant and Admit them into the union, If this was instantly done, the measures of their leaders would be brought to the test, and we should know If they had only tended to bring about their independance, or to have connected themselves with the Enemy, but unless Congress are pushed to a decission I believe they will do nothing in it, but who is to urge them I know not, the Governor cannot do It Officially and our delegates I believe will not unless they believe that the decission will go against the Vermontese.5
If Harris’s Information be true that the Enemy Intend to take post at the south end of Lake George, It strongly indicates they apprehend nothing from Vermont, and perhaps too that they have in contemplation a movement from the Southward, whilst those from the north are intended so far at least to co-operate, as to compel us to keep a respectable force in this quarter.
As soon as I was advised that the Enemies Ships were arrived at crown point of which I desired Gen: Clinton to give your Ex: notice I dispatched an intelligent person who has heretofore been employed by me, in the character of a Tory, to go on board he will probably obtain a knowledge of the enemies intentions, so far as the Officers may know it and be willing to communicate it to him, whom they believe to be a Royalist.6
The few troops here have been ten days without meat, every eatable creature in this part of the country is already expended, the only flour they now have I have been obliged to procure on my own Credit to the Amount of about One hundred barrels, but even with that, unless meat speedily arrives, I fear a majority of the soldiers will Join the enemy which they may now do without the least apprehension of being molested on their route.
Mrs Schuyler Joins me in best regards to You & Your Lady.7 I am Dear Sir with the most perfect respect & Esteem And with every friendly wish Your Excellencys most Obedient Humble Servant
Ph: Schuyler
ALS, DLC:GW.
1. Brig. Gen. James Clinton’s letter to Schuyler dated 3 May has not been identified. The copy of GW’s letter has not been found, but see GW to New York governor George Clinton, 15 April, and n.1.
George Clinton had written Schuyler from Poughkeepsie, N.Y., on 16 April: “I take the Liberty of inclosing you a Copy of a Letter I have this Moment received from his Excellency Genl. Washington, together with a Copy of the Intelligence therein alluded to communicated by Mr. Fish & of requesting that you will be pleased to make the use of it proposed by the General conducting the Business in the Manner mentioned in his Letter. I am not personally acquainted with either Fish or Harris, but have some Reason to believe they may be both confided in. Fish is Sensible & I immagine will observe a proper Degree of Secrecy on the Occassion. … In addition to the Reward to Harris & Fish promised by the Genl. I have added a Promise in Behalf of the State, of something Handsome in Case of Success, to which I am perswaded you will contribute by every means in your Power” (
, 6:770–71).Schuyler wrote George Clinton from Saratoga on Friday, 4 May: “Under cover of a letter from General Clinton of yesterday’s date, I had the honor to receive your Excellency’s favor of the 16th ult: with the several inclosures; both were delivered me by Mr. Fish, whom I have known for some years past as a man of good moral character and firmly attatched to the cause of his country; Harris is an utter stranger to me; Fish informs me that since his return, Harris met, on the 29th ult: at Kingsbury with Thomas Sherwood and John Scouten, who had on that day arrived, from the enemy’s shipping at Crown Point, but received no packet from them; they informed him they had come in order to prevail on some of the inhabitants to go to Canada; that a part of their party, was gone to the Scotch Patent, and another party to Palmertown; that he learnt from some of the inhabitants that a large number of the soldiers now here waited the arrival of a party from the enemy to mutiny, go off and join them; that the Grants had a body of men in readiness to march to Fort Edward and Skensborough as soon as the Committee which is to meet on Tuesday next have consented to a union with the grants. I have requested Fish to send for Harris and to meet me at this place on the 7th instant; when he arrives I shall carefully examine him, and if I find him intelligent, and have no reason to suspect that he is an imposture, shall put him into a train to acquire the full confidence of the enemy, that we may avail ourselves of any information he may receive, and obtain possession of any packets he may be intrusted with, which will be disposed of agreable to the general’s request.
“When I reflect that the people of the Grants are chiefly emigrants from the eastern states, that they have left behind them, their Fathers, Brothers, sons, and other relations, who must in common with others feel the consequences of their defecton from the common cause, I do not know how to beleive that they are in league with the enemy.” Continuing his letter, Schuyler reported that “Tories are removing from all quarters to reside” within “the Grants,” intelligence that caused him to question their “political virtue.” He promised to “spare neither pains nor expence to sift it to the bottom.
“That the enemy intend to take post more to the south than were they are at present, I really believe, but I cannot imagine they mean permanently to do it on this side of Lake George,—should they fortify there at present, it must evidently be, with a design to take advantage of any movements of Sir Harry Clinton. A few days ago, I advised General Clinton that some of the British ships were arrived at Crown Point; as soon as I received that intelligence, I dispatched a trusty person, who will probably go on board, and learn as much of the enemy’s intentions as the officers on board will communicate to him, whom they believe a Royalist, I expect his return by the 10th instant at farthest, and shall communicate to your Excellency the result of his enquiries. …
“The garrisson here has now been ten days without any meat, except what they procure by maroding; every eatable animal in this part of the Country is already expended, not a single scout can be kept out, and I fear that Harris’s last account will speedily be verified, and that a great majority of the troops here will go off to the enemy, (they may move leisurely to Fort George or Skensborough and be there received into the enemies boats) unless provision is instantly procured for them. …
“I learn that the French troops are to march to the North river; if so General Washington may perhaps spare the remainder of our state line and some additional troops; should that be his intention, and your Excellency advised of it, let me intreat you to give me the earliest noti[c]e of it, that I may make the proper use of it amongst the inhabitants” (
, 6:840–43). For John Fish’s statement, see , 6:844–45. Schuyler’s letter to George Clinton on 15 May does not mention intelligence from Crown Point (see , 6:880–81).Harris, who then resided at Queensbury, N.Y., swore an affidavit at Warren County, N.Y., on 16 Aug. 1832: “That he was employed in the Secret Service of the United States … in the Month of February 1781, that he went as far North as Kingsbury Washington County N.Y. that while their he fell in Company with a party of Tories, and feigning himself with them in Sentiment he obtained their Confidence, and was entrusted with Packages to Carry from one post to another, all of which was first Submited to General Schyler—That he obtained information that the Enemy were Marching from Canada … that he Made a Statement of their Movements as near as he Could ascertain, and with a Package on the Same Subject, from Canada to the Tories went to Easton Washington County N.Y. before he Could find a Man that he dare entrust with them he there employed Mr John Fish to Carry them to General Schyler in Albany N.Y. That General Schyler after perusing Said Report and documents Contained in Said Package, Sent for him to devise Some means to have a Letter taken to the Governor of Canada, that he volunteered his Service for that purpose—that General Schyler there wrote a Letter Superscribed and directed to General Washington Congratulating him with the news of the destruction of Rodneys Fleet and Stating that by Calling in General Starks Brigade he might have Spared Several More Regimts for the invasion of Canada and other Circumstances calculated to deceive the Enemy—that he immediately Returned to Kingsbury and their engaged a Tory who held a Commission under the Government of Great Britian to transmit the same to Canada as a prize or an intercepted Letter—on the Reception of which … the Governor immediately Countermanded his Orders and directed the Troops to Return—that he Continued in Said Service until the Month of October following” (DNA: RG 15, Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty-Land Warrant Application Files, 1800–1900; see also , 183–85).
2. Schuyler again wrote GW on this date: “the Inclosed is the paper which I mentioned In my Letter of this day and which I had forgot to Inclose” (ALS, DLC:GW; the cover is addressed to GW at New Windsor). The enclosure has not been identified, but it probably relayed the same intelligence that Schuyler sent Clinton (see n.1 above; see also Schuyler to GW, 9 May, DLC:GW).
3. Vermont militia major general Ethan Allen had gone to New York in summer 1780. He entered into negotiations with Quebec governor Frederick Haldimand and other British officials for prisoner exchanges. Some suspected that Allen and other Vermonters made these overtures to establish Vermont as a British province, and Allen came under treason accusations. The origins of the Haldimand correspondence were divulged to the Vermont general assembly in April 1781 to clear Allen of wrongdoing. Allen demonstrated that he rejected the British propositions but also declared: “That Vermont has an indubitable right to agree on terms of cessation of hostilities with Great Britain, provided the United States persist in rejecting her application for a union with them” ( , 2:90–92, quote on 90; see also John Mercereau to GW, 8–9 July 1780, source note, and GW to Mercereau, 12 July 1780; Schuyler to GW, 31 Oct.–1 Nov. and 12 Nov. 1780; and James Clinton to GW, 12 Nov. 1780).
Lord George Germain wrote Haldimand from Whitehall (London) on 12 April 1781: “All late accounts from New York give the strongest reasons to expect Ethan Allen and the people of Vermont are taking their measures very judiciously for a general declaration in our favour as soon as the season will permit you to send a body of troops among them; and as it is not in the power of the Congress to send any of their continental troops against them and the militia have lately shown great backwardness in answering their calls, I am not without hopes that our numerous friends about Albany will find means of connecting themselves with the Vermont people and that the whole of that district will return to the King’s obedience, which must have the greatest effect in extinguishing the rebellion.” (
, 20:109–12, quote on 110). When Germain wrote Gen. Henry Clinton from Whitehall on 2 May, he expressed hope that Allen “is acting under General Haldimand’s directions and that when the season admits of the General’s sending up a body of troops into Vermont the inhabitants will declare for the King, which with the reduction of the southern provinces must give the death wound to the rebellion notwithstanding any assistance the French may be able to give it; and if that were the case, a general peace would soon follow and this country be delivered from the most burthensome and extensive war it was ever engaged in” ( , 20:131–33, quote on 133).4. In an effort to “settle the Boundaries between” New York “and the adjacent colonies,’ commissioners in 1664 “determined that a line parallel to Hudson’s River at twenty miles distance from it on the east side thereof should divide the two provinces of New York and Massachusetts Bay from each other.” A similar line east of the Hudson was declared as the boundary between New York and Connecticut and was to apply to all New England colonies ( , 2:506–7). In later jurisdiction and boundary disputes involving New York and New Hampshire, it was argued that New Hampshire’s western boundary should correspond to the western boundaries of Massachusetts and Connecticut. That land figured in the disputes between inhabitants of Vermont and the surrounding states (see n.5 below; see also Notes on the Territorial Claim of New Hampshire, in , 2:84–86).
5. George Clinton and congressional delegates from New York steadily opposed Vermont statehood (see Thomas Chittenden to Clinton, 22 Nov. 1780, and Clinton to the New York assembly, 5 Feb. 1781, in , 2:266–67; and New York Delegates’ Memorial, 3 Aug. 1781, in , 17:468–71; see also , 2:267–73, 296–307, and , 466–69, 474–75). A congressional resolution adopted on 20 Aug. 1781 required the settlement of land claims as “an indispensible preliminary to the recognition of the independence of the people inhabiting the territory called Vermont, and their admission into the federal union” ( , 21:887).
6. See James Clinton to GW, 30 April–1 May, and n.3 to that document.
7. GW replied to Schuyler on 14 May (DLC:GW).