James Madison Papers

To James Madison from James Monroe, 24 March 1815

From James Monroe

Washington March 24d 1815.

Dear Sir

The enclosed letters was received since you left us, one from Col: Cochrane Johnston, the other from his brother admiral Cochrane. Either Burr, Bollman, or Sanders, was I presume the author of the papers recd. from the former, whom I knew in London.1 You recollect the charge aganst him, with his nephew Ld. Cochrane, which has probably brought him to this country.2

On the subject of the other letter, it is difficult to decide what part to act.3 Two modes occur, one to state the ground on which the extract to our ministers was founded & giving the evidence,4 stating that now that peace is restord, this govt. has no interest in establishing the fact, but will see with interest the refutation of it. The other, to make the same statment, and to add that in time of war, we could not investigate the truth of the charge, since such investigation could only be made in the W. Indies where the slaves were carried. To intimate that we have now no interest in establishing the fact; will be gratified to see that the charge was unfounded; that as no evidence however strong ex parte, as what was communicated here, was, could establish the guilt of the parties, so no deficiency of proof, in this office, could establish their innocence: that to do justice to the inquiry & to the parties, this govt. would appoint an agent or agents, to aid in the investigation in the Islands, & to unite in the report of the result.

Should not the latter plan in either, or any course, be adopted privately by this govt., & such agent be sent out immediately? He may be procurd at Norfolk thro Tazewell, or Skinner, at Baltimore may be employed. I have no doubt of the guilt of the parties, if proper to pursue the inquiry. I am told that Cochrane has 400. on his estate at Trinidad, held in some species of slavery.

The misfortune is that if we take the first course, it will be considerd as acknowledging their innocence, for which we shall have no credit, and that the pursuit of the inquiry is not without objection, in the present state of things.

Mr Baker calld two days since on this subject, & seemd desirous of leaving it on the evidence before the Senate. I express’d my disapprobation of that course, & suggested the latter, above mentiond, as the only one, to acquire truth. From this, he seemd, rather to recede, but as I pushed it, he manifested a smotherd resentment. He has just calld again on the same subject, as I learn from mr Graham, for having given notice that an audience must be asked in writing, & a time fixd, I declind see[i]ng him. He said that the vessel mentiond by admiral cochrane was waiting in the bay for my answer. I gave him 2. oclock to morrow for the interview. Very respectfully your friend & servant.

Jas Monroe

RC (DLC: Rives Collection, Madison Papers). Docketed by JM.

1Monroe enclosed a 15 Mar. 1815 letter to him from Andrew Cochrane Johnstone (3 pp.; DNA: RG 59, ML), dated at Charleston, South Carolina, in which Cochrane Johnstone wrote that he planned to sail soon for Dominica to visit his estates there, but before doing so would transmit information to assist the U.S. naval expedition against Algiers. The enclosed papers, which according to Cochrane Johnstone had “accidentally come into [his] possession” and revealed potential “attempts … to divide” the United States, have not been found.

2Along with six others, Cochrane Johnstone and his nephew, Royal Navy captain Lord Thomas Cochrane, were convicted in June 1814 of conspiracy to defraud investors on the London Stock Exchange. Cochrane Johnstone left England before sentencing (Linda Stratmann, The Crooks Who Conned Millions: True Stories of Fraudsters & Charlatans [Thrupp, Eng., 2006], 1–20).

3Monroe enclosed Vice Adm. Sir Alexander Cochrane’s 8 Mar. 1815 letter to him (6 pp.; DNA: RG 76, Preliminary Inventory 177, entry 185, Great Britain, Treaty of 1814, Mixed Claims, Misc. Records, box 3, folder 8), denying that slaves taken from the United States during the war were sold in the West Indies, and requesting proof of U.S. claims to that effect.

4For the information sent to the U.S. peace commissioners, see St. George Tucker to JM, 1 Dec. 1813, PJM-PS description begins Robert A. Rutland et al., eds., The Papers of James Madison: Presidential Series (9 vols. to date; Charlottesville, Va., 1984–). description ends 7:74 and n. 1, and Monroe to JM, 28 Feb. 1815, and n. 1.

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