Thomas Jefferson Papers

William Carver to Thomas Jefferson, 25 November 1823

From William Carver

New york November 25 1823

Dear and Venerable Sir

I found by your letter to Mr Adams that reading is your delight, I theirfore have taken the liberty to inclose to you a letter wrote by the immortal Thomas Paine, with two other Pamphlets, they will explain themselves; I was in posestion of the manuscript coppyes of Mr Deans and Mr Paines letters; a few gentlemen wished them too be Published and gave me the money to publish one thousand Coppys; as they could not be published in the Dayly Papers, Superstition is far worse here then in England; their is no such thing as1 a free Press, in this boasted land of liberty, and I beleive in no part of the World; that thing called Religeon has compleetly sheckeled mankind; in the old world, they are under a double despotism of Church and State, and not much better in America—and I am sure not in N york; In England they do celebrate the birth Day of Mr Paine, at London and maney of their Cityes and Towns, but the memory of Thomas Paine is celdom toasted here at aney of the public feasts, Shame, Shame, Americans; By the Pamphlets from London you will se the state of England in a small degree, Mr Carlile the author had the goodness to send me the whole of Mr Paines works a compleet an elegant edetion, published by himself, for which he was Imprisoned & fined, I have read his adress too the Men of Sience Chymists & Astronamers telling them to come out like men boldly, & by so doing they will upset all Supernatural Religeon in a short time, & that he will be acountable for aney prosecution that may be brought against the work, & that he will print aney thing that they will send him, I judge the work aluded too to be one of the best that I ever read—I hope the liberty that I have taken will not give ofence, I can asure you that I have done it out of the most sincere respect, & esteem, that I have for you, considering you one of the great benifactors of mankind, for wich every human being should be grateful, whether rich, or poor like my self; Thomas Paine and your self, have spread a light over the world, that neither Superstition, Preist Craft, or Ignorance can extinguish—Mr Paine like all others had his failings he was to fond of ardent Spirits, he might be said not to be the same man as when I knew him first at Lewes in Sussex, England; the plaice of my birth, he resided with me 18 months in N york, he got to be very penurious, & unwilling to pay a just & lawful Dept, he was of a sower disposition, and exceedingly Dogmatical; I admired him for his genis and his works but dispised his conduct; Every man that professes to be a Deist, should be a good moral Character, or he lets him self down below his dignaty as a Philosopher; Mr Paine was indepted to me upwards of three hundred dollars, which he refused to pay, this broke up our friendship he suffered himself to be deceived by falce friends—and left the whole of his manuscripts to Madam Boneville She was bid one thousand Dollars for them, but refused it they are theirfore lost to the world at present, She is returned too France—

I wrote to you dated; Junuary 27th last; I do not wish to trouble you to write to me, but should like to know if this & the former letter came to hand,—I have been very unfortunate in this Country, I had by indoustery aquired five thousand Dollars, but lost it, by puting confidence in my oldest Son; but I have found some friends, and am still respected by men of Tallents, and they have contributed to my wants, some of them I presume you are aquainted with, the Honorable Dewitt Clinton, the Honorable Richd Riker, John A Graham, John G Coster, Jacob Astor Esqrs and others that are friends to Republican Principles, those gentlemen consider me to be posesed of a small share of common sence, but it seems that Old Dame Nature, is deturmmed to run me hard, and a person that has been once well of, would allmost suffer Death, before he will make2 his wants known or bore his friends,—

In my last letter I informed you that I had a full length Portrait of your self that I held in great estem, & I had like wise a good likeness of Thomas Paine, Joel Barlow, Elihu Palmer, and other great Characters, but last winter I was confined two Months haveing receivd a cick from a Horse that I was doctoring and haveing hired a House from a mean Scotchman who is said to be worth 100 thousand Dollars he sent a Landlords warrent & took my litle all for 37 Dollars due for rent, & I have not been able to recover the whole of them yet; but I look forward with hope that before long Nature3 will call me hence that I may be at rest—you complain that your letters have been Published without leave; I have the same cause to complain, Cheetham Published my letters to Mr Paine without my consent; I think you had better distroy my letters; I am Sir your sincere well wisher—

William Carver N 8 Elm St

RC (MHi); addressed: “To the Honorable Thomas Jefferson Montecello”; endorsed by TJ as received 29 Nov. 1823 and so recorded (with mistaken 29 Nov. date of composition) in SJL.

TJ told John Adams that reading was his delight in a 1 June 1822 letter.

The letter wrote by the immortal thomas paine was printed in Never Before Published. Two Letters, being a Correspondence between Andrew A. Dean, of New-Rochelle, and Thomas Paine, author of “The Rights of Man,” &c. &c. Written August the 6th, 1806, during the time that Mr. Paine was on a sick bed, at the house of William Carver, in New-York. Also, Mr. Paine’s Description of the Liberty of the Press (New York, 1823). Paine’s letter describes his distrust of Christianity but faith in God. The publication concludes with an essay signed “Common Sense,” in which Paine recalls TJ’s comments, made while both men were in Paris in 1787, regarding the “licentiousness of the press,” and references a phrase from TJ’s First Inaugural Address, that “error of opinion may be tolerated, where reason is left free to combat it” (PTJ, 33:149).

The two other pamphlets, not found, were possibly the first two issues of the Moralist, a magazine issued in London in 1823 by the radical publisher and author Richard Carlile. He was imprisoned from 1819 to 1825 for releasing an edition of Paine’s theological works that included The Age of Reason, which had long been banned (ODNB). his adress: in jail Carlile continued to publish such provocative works as An Address to Men of Science; calling upon them to stand forward and Vindicate the Truth from the Foul Grasp and Persecution of Superstition (London, 1821). James Cheetham included three of Carver’s letters to mr paine in his Life of Thomas Paine (New York, 1809), 252–71.

1Manuscript: “as as.”

2Manuscript: “make make.”

3Manuscript: “Nuture.”

Index Entries

  • Adams, John; correspondence of published search
  • alcohol; spirits search
  • An Address to Men of Science; calling upon them to stand forward and Vindicate the Truth from the Foul Grasp and Persecution of Superstition (R. Carlile) search
  • Astor, John Jacob; and W. Carver search
  • Barlow, Joel; portrait of search
  • Bonneville, Margaret B.; and T. Paine’s papers search
  • Carlile, Richard; An Address to Men of Science; calling upon them to stand forward and Vindicate the Truth from the Foul Grasp and Persecution of Superstition search
  • Carlile, Richard; publishesThe Moralist search
  • Carlile, Richard; publishesThe Theological Works of Thomas Paine search
  • Carver, William (ca.1757–1840); and religion search
  • Carver, William (ca.1757–1840); family of search
  • Carver, William (ca.1757–1840); finances of search
  • Carver, William (ca.1757–1840); health of search
  • Carver, William (ca.1757–1840); letters from search
  • Carver, William (ca.1757–1840); relationship with T. Paine search
  • censorship; and religion search
  • Cheetham, James; The Life of Thomas Paine search
  • Christianity; and theism search
  • Clinton, DeWitt; friendship with W. Carver search
  • Coster, John Gerard; friendship with W. Carver search
  • Dean, Andrew A.; Never Before Published. Two Letters, being a Correspondence between Andrew A. Dean, of New-Rochelle, and Thomas Paine, author of “The Rights of Man,” &c. &c. Written August the 6th, 1806 search
  • Graham, John Andrew; friendship with W. Carver search
  • Great Britain; freedom of the press in search
  • horses; injuries caused by search
  • Jefferson, Thomas; Books & Library; works sent to search
  • Jefferson, Thomas; Correspondence; publication of papers search
  • Jefferson, Thomas; Opinions on; newspapers search
  • Jefferson, Thomas; Opinions on; reading search
  • Jefferson, Thomas; Portraits; mentioned search
  • Jefferson, Thomas; Writings; First Inaugural Address search
  • Never Before Published. Two Letters, being a Correspondence between Andrew A. Dean, of New-Rochelle, and Thomas Paine, author of “The Rights of Man,” &c. &c. Written August the 6th, 1806 search
  • newspapers; and freedom of the press search
  • newspapers; TJ on search
  • New York (city); religion in search
  • Paine, Thomas; legacy of search
  • Paine, Thomas; Never Before Published. Two Letters, being a Correspondence between Andrew A. Dean, of New-Rochelle, and Thomas Paine, author of “The Rights of Man,” &c. &c. Written August the 6th, 1806 search
  • Paine, Thomas; portrait of search
  • Paine, Thomas; relationship with W. Carver search
  • Paine, Thomas; religious beliefs of search
  • Paine, Thomas; The Age of Reason search
  • Paine, Thomas; The Life of Thomas Paine (J. Cheetham) search
  • Paine, Thomas; The Theological Works of Thomas Paine search
  • Paine, Thomas; writings of search
  • Palmer, Elihu; portrait of search
  • religion; and censorship search
  • religion; deism search
  • religion; works on search
  • rent; nonpayment of search
  • Riker, Richard; friendship with W. Carver search
  • spirits (alcohol) search
  • The Age of Reason (T. Paine) search
  • The Life of Thomas Paine (J. Cheetham) search
  • The Moralist (British periodical) search
  • The Theological Works of Thomas Paine (T. Paine) search