Thomas Jefferson Papers

From Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 7 July 1785

To John Adams

Paris July 7. 1785.

Dear Sir

This will accompany a joint letter inclosing the draught of a treaty, and my private letter of June 22,1 which has waited so long for a private conveiance. We daily expect from the Baron Thulemeyer the French column for our treaty with his sovereign. In the mean while two copies are preparing with the English column which Doctr. Franklin wishes to sign before his departure, which will be within four or five days. The French, when received, will be inserted in the blank column of each copy. As the measure of signing at separate times and places is new, we think it necessary to omit no other circumstance of ceremony which can be observed. That of sending it by a person of confidence and invested with a character relative to the object, who shall attest our signature here, yours in London and Baron Thulemeyer’s at the Hague, and who shall make the actual exchanges, we think will contribute to supply the departure from the usual form in other instances. For this reason we have agreed to send Mr. Short on this business, to make him a Secretary pro hac vice, and to join Mr. Dumas for the operations of exchange &c. As Dr. Franklin will have left us before Mr. Short’s mission will commence, and I have never been concerned in the ceremonials of a treaty, I will thank you for your immediate information as to the papers he should be furnished with from hence. He will repair first to you in London, thence to the Hague, and so return to Paris.—What is become of Mr. Lambe? Supposing he was to call on the Commissioners for instructions, and thinking it best these should be in readiness, Dr. Franklin undertook to consult well the Barbary treaties with other nations, and to prepare a sketch which we should have sent for your correction. He tells me he has consulted those treaties, and made references to the articles proper for us, which however he shall not have time to put into form, but will leave them with me to reduce. As soon as I see them you shall hear from me.—A late conversation with an English gentleman here makes me beleive, what I did not believe before, that his nation think seriously that Congress have no power to form a treaty of commerce. As the explanations of this matter which you and I may separately give may be handed to their minister, it would be well that they should agree. For this reason, as well as for the hope of your shewing me wherein I am wrong, and confirming me where I am right, I will give you my creed on the subject. It is contained in these few principles. By the Confederation Congress have no power given them in the first instance over the commerce of the states. But they have a power given them of entering into treaties of commerce, and these treaties may cover the whole feild of commerce, with two restrictions only. 1. That the states may impose equal duties on foreigners as natives, and 2. that they may prohibit the exportation or importation of any species of goods whatsoever. When they shall have entered into such treaty the superintendance of it results to them, all the operations of commerce which are protected by it’s stipulations, come under their jurisdiction, and the power of the states to thwart them by their separate acts ceases. If Great Britain asks then why she should enter into treaty with us, why not carry on her commerce without treaty? I answer, because till a treaty is made no Consul of hers can be received (his functions being called into existence by a convention only, and the states having abandoned the right of separate agreements and treaties) no protection to her commerce can be given by Congress, no cover to it from those checks and discouragements with which the states will oppress it, acting separately and by fits and starts. That they will act so till a treaty is made, Great Britain has had several proofs, and I am convinced those proofs will become general. It is then to put her commerce with us on systematical ground, and under safe cover, that it behoves Great Britain to enter into treaty. And I own to you that my wish to enter into treaties with the other powers of Europe arises more from a desire of bringing all our commerce under the jurisdiction of Congress, than from any other views. Because, according to my idea, the commerce of the United states with those countries not under treaty with us, is under the jurisdiction of each state separately, but that of the countries which have treated with us is under the jurisdiction of Congress, with the two fundamental restraints only, which I have before noted.—I shall be happy to receive your corrections of these ideas as I have found in the course of our joint services that I think right when I think with you. I am with sincere affection Dear Sir Your friend & servt.,

Th: Jefferson

P.S. Monsr. Houdon has agreed to go to America to take the figure of General Washington. In case of his death between his departure from Paris and his return to it we may lose 20,000 livres. I ask the favour of you to enquire what it will cost to ensure that sum, on his life, in London, and to give me as early an answer as possible that I may order the insurance if I think the terms easy enough. He is I beleive between 30 and 35 years of age, healthy enough, and will be absent about 6 months.

RC (MHi: AMT). PrC (DLC). Entry in SJL under 5 July reads: “Adams J. Prussian treaty. Barbary. British. Houdon.” The joint letter accompanying this was, of course, that from Franklin and TJ to Adams, 8 July 1785.

The measure of signing at separate times and places was highly unusual, as Hunter Miller has pointed out, but the proposal was not first made in the Commissioners’ letter to De Thulemeier of 26 May 1785 as he assumed (Hunter Miller, ed., Treaties and Other International Acts of the United States, ii, 183). Rather, the idea was advanced by De Thulemeier himself. On 11 May Adams informed both Dumas and De Thulemeier that his appointment at London and TJ’s at Versailles did not mean a cessation of the powers of the Commissioners, and to the latter he added: “I know of no objection against signing the Treaty as you Propose, by yourself at the Hague, by me in London and Mr. Franklin and Mr. Jefferson at Paris. We may communicate by the Courriers of their High Mightinesses to London or by our own or by Private Hand” (Adams to Dumas and to De Thulemeier, 11 May, and to Dumas, 18 May 1785; MHi: AMT). Franklin signed before the treaty assumed its final form—the term of years during which the treaty was to be effective had not been agreed upon when Franklin departed from Passy and the French text, which developed some differences, had not been entered in parallel columns with the English text. On 3 May 1785 De Thulemeier wrote Adams of the satisfaction he had received in putting the final touches to a work that the two of them had begun, and added: “Il s’agit actuellement que vous aves la bonté de faire mettre au net un exemplaire du traité dont nous sommes convenus. J’en ferai autant de mon coté” (MHi: AMT). The French text was transmitted to TJ on 19 July, received by him on the 24th of that month, and “copied into the two instruments which Doctr. Franklin had signed” (De Thulemeier to TJ, 19 July 1785; TJ to Adams, 28 July 1785). De Thulemeier had also suggested to Adams that Dumas be employed for the operations of exchange, and to this Adams replied: “I have received the Honor of your Letter, and am happy to learn that all Points are agreed between us, and hope soon to receive either from you, sir, or from my colleagues at Paris the fair Draught of the Treaty between the King of Prussia and the United States of America for Signature. I agree with Pleasure to your Proposition of making the Exchange by Mr. Dumas, and presume that Dr. Franklin and Mr. Jefferson will equally approve of it” (De Thulemeier to Adams, 17 June and 19 July 1785; Adams to De Thulemeier, 16 July 1785; MHi: AMT).

1RC has “22,” changed from “23,” possibly by Adams; PrC reads, “23.”

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