Thomas Jefferson Papers

Enclosure: Joseph C. Cabell to James Madison, 16 April 1823

Enclosure

Joseph C. Cabell to James Madison

Williamsburg 16 April. 1823.

Dear Sir,

In travelling down the country Mr Loyall & myself had much conversation together on the plan & interior distribution of the Library House. I take the liberty to express to you the solicitude we feel on the structure of the two large oval rooms, and on the arrangement of a suitable apartment or apartments for the Philosophical apparatus. I infer from what Mr Jefferson said to us, that the oval rooms, would have plane floors. If it should not interfere too much with Mr Jefferson’s architectural views, might it not be well to have at least one of the rooms fitted up with seats runing around the room parallel to the walls, & rising one above another, so that the Lecturer’s eye & voice would distinctly reach the eye & ear of every student present? Such is the approved modern construction of large lecturing rooms at the principal Universities in Europe & in this country. It seems to me that on no other plan can a class of some hundreds be conveniently accomodated. For my own part I should suppose it would be proper to fit up both the large rooms on this modern plan. Nor would it unfit them for any of the purposes ever contemplated, unless for dancing, and I presume that it would be no disadvantage to the Institution, if this art should be taught rather more in the background of the scene. Is it not also to be apprehended that the Apparatus will require rather more space than Mr Jefferson seems to be preparing for it. In some of the Universities of Europe which I visited I found the Apparatus occupying considerable space. As well as I can recollect, in none that I saw, was there less than one large room, & in some, as at Bologna, a suite of rooms was, appropriated to this object. Perhaps on this head, some eminent Professor might be advantageously consulted. To make the University compleat, within the limits heretofore proposed, is highly desirable; and with a view to this object, I should think it essential to provide in the larger apartments of the Library House, convenient accomodation for the greater classes, of chemistry, Natural Philosophy &c which from their numbers require space, & from the necessity of witnessing experiments demand seats rising one above another. Perhaps I only repeat here, what I may have said to you at Monticello. If so, you will be good enough to excuse me, and to ascribe the repetition to the effect of my conversation with Mr Loyall on my journey down the country. I ask the favor of you to communicate with Mr Jefferson on these subjects, and trusting in your superior judgments, shall entertain no doubt that your decision will be for the best.

I remain Dr Sir, ever faithfully yours

Joseph C. Cabell

RC (DLC: Madison Papers); addressed: “James Madison esq. Montpellier Orange”; franked; postmarked Williamsburg, 16 Apr.; endorsed by Madison. Also enclosed in TJ to Madison, 30 Apr. 1823.

Index Entries

  • Bologna, University of search
  • Cabell, Joseph Carrington; as member of University of Virginia Board of Visitors search
  • Cabell, Joseph Carrington; letter from, to J. Madison search
  • Cabell, Joseph Carrington; visits Monticello search
  • chemistry; collegiate education in search
  • dancing; and University of Virginia search
  • Loyall, George; as member of University of Virginia Board of Visitors search
  • Madison, James (1751–1836); and construction of University of Virginia search
  • Madison, James (1751–1836); letter to, from J. C. Cabell search
  • Madison, James (1751–1836); visits Monticello search
  • Monticello (TJ’s Albemarle Co. estate); Visitors to; Cabell, Joseph C. search
  • Monticello (TJ’s Albemarle Co. estate); Visitors to; Madison, Dolley and James search
  • natural philosophy; collegiate education in search
  • schools and colleges; and lecture halls search
  • schools and colleges; University of Bologna search
  • scientific instruments; for University of Virginia search
  • Virginia, University of; Board of Visitors; and construction of University of Virginia search
  • Virginia, University of; Construction and Grounds; floors search
  • Virginia, University of; Construction and Grounds; Rotunda (library) search
  • Virginia, University of; Faculty and Curriculum; chemistry, mineralogy, and natural philosophy professorship search
  • Virginia, University of; Faculty and Curriculum; scientific instruments for search