Thomas Jefferson Papers

Joseph C. Cabell to Thomas Jefferson, 30 December 1822

From Joseph C. Cabell

Richmond. Dec: 30. 1822.

Dear Sir,

I am happy to inform you that Mr Gordon & Mr Rives arrived in town last evening, & have attended the House to-day. Mr Gordon called on me this morning, when I disclosed to him, what I had done in his absence, and my present views & prospects. I have conferred with Mr Hunter, Mr Carey, Mr Bowyer, Mr Taylor of Botetourt, Mr Baldwin, &c and the almost unanimous opinion of us all, is, that we should ask for another loan to finish the buildings, and to leave the debt untouched1 for the present. We propose to move for one object at a time in order not to unite the enemies of both measures against one bill. Should we succeed in getting the loan, we may afterwards try to get rid of the debt. But the general impression is that we cannot carry both measures at this session. I presume I am clearly right in the assurance which I give to our particular friends, nay to every body, that if both measures cannot pass, the Board of Visitors would prefer the Loan, to the cancelling of the bonds. It gives me heartfelt pleasure to inform you that the intelligent members generally express the opinion that the Institution should be finished. This confirms the propriety of the course we have taken. of the propriety of that course, you know, I never have doubted. And I may be allowed to feel the gratification natural on such an occasion. Last winter I had to encounter a mingled host of friends & enemies, on this point, and yielded the point from a mistake existing between Mr Brokenbrough & Mr Carey. Now the leading members generally say, the Institution should be finished. Mr Baldwin has assured me of his hearty cooperation to this effect. From himself, & from Mr Taylor of Botetourt, I hear that Mr Sheffey will go with us. Mr Doddridge, I expect will do the same. Mr G. of Amherst has twice announced to Mr Carey, on being consulted by him, that he would oppose any further building. Yet Mr Gordon thinks he may be brought over. Mr Watkins of Prince Edward has gone home. The President of Hampden Sidney is here making interest for that Institution. I am on good terms with him. He is very friendly to the University. To-day he advised me to aim only for a loan, & said he was confident from what he had heard among the members, that the debt should be left untouched for the present. I advised him to take care that his friend Mr Watkins will not kindle a flame against his college, by throwing himself athwart the course of the friends of the University. He observed that Mr W. had not made up his mind finally how he would vote on a bill authorizing us to finish the buildings of the University: but he believed that unless the Bill for Hampden Sidney should be supported Mr W. would oppose us. I advised him to remonstrate with his Delegate as to the propriety & policy of that mode of legislation, & cautioned him not lightly to depart from the system of voting for every measure on the foundation of its own merits. I hope Mr W. may be prevailed on to relinquish his opposition. I am now in more dread of Mr Johnson’s coming to town & advocating the doctrine of curtailing the building, than I am of any other danger. But as the popular prejudice on that subject has abated, I hope he would go with us.—The Report was in town on friday. Mr Daniel told me he was waiting for Governor Pleasants to communicate it. The Governor will probably be in town this evening. The Report will probably be made to-morrow. As soon as it is printed, I will get Capt: Peyton to exhibit the prints of the plan of the University. In a few days thereafter our bill will be brought in. I have a loan bill ready drawn. The subject of interest is somewhat embarrassing. We shall be obliged to lose the Interest. I conclude it is better to do so, than stand in our present situation. We must limit the time of our election on the subject of the loan to some short period to avoid the loss of interest to the fund. Such a proviso will help to carry our bill. There shall be no difficulty on that score about a board. If the bill passes, I will come up immediately in the stage, & I make no doubt Genl Cocke & Mr Loyall will also attend. I still think a conditional contract on the part of the Undertakers for $70,000, would do more harm than good. But if they will engage for $60,000. to finish the building out & out, I would rather have the Contract than not. If they will not, I will ask for 50– perhaps, 60, thousand dollars. The year before last we estimated the Library at $40,000—Last year at $45,000. as well as I recollect. Should I now rise to $60,000, some reason will be asked for the difference in the estimates. I have heretofore grounded myself on Mr Brokenbrough’s estimates. If no other document can be furnished, I would suggest the propriety of your writing a short letter to some one here, asking for such sum as you may think proper for the object. The sooner it comes the better. The affair of the Proctor’s accounts seems to be unknown here. I am happy to hear from Genl Cocke that that business has been satisfactorily adjusted. I write in great haste, and remain Dr Sir, ever faithfully yours

Jos: C: Cabell

RC (ViU: TJP-PC); endorsed by TJ as received 2 Jan. 1823 and so recorded in SJL; with notes by TJ beneath endorsement relating to his 13 Jan. 1823 letter to Cabell: “no compromise error in our statemt copy of report special meeting.” Enclosed in TJ to James Madison, 6 Jan. 1823, and Madison to TJ, 15 [Jan.] 1823.

For the mistake existing between mr brokenbrough & mr carey, see Cabell to TJ, 18 Mar. 1822. mr g.: David S. Garland.

The president of hampden sidney College was Jonathan Peter Cushing. Although there was no formal bill for hampden sidney during the 1822–23 session of the Virginia General Assembly, the Committee of Schools and Colleges eventually issued a report on “the situation of the several colleges and academies in this commonwealth,” including Hampden Sidney, Washington College, and the Ann Smith Academy, which recommended that the legislature provide each of these institutions with aid from the “unappropriated revenue of the Literary Fund.” The House immediately tabled this report (JHD description begins Journal of the House of Delegates of the Commonwealth of Virginia description ends [1822–23 sess.], 201–2 [17 Feb. 1823]).

The 2 Oct. 1820 University of Virginia Board of Visitors Report to Literary Fund President and Directors estimated the cost of the library (Rotunda) at $40,000, while the 30 Nov. 1821 Report increased it to $46,847.

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Index Entries

  • A Bill, Concerning the University of Virginia (1823) search
  • Ann Smith Academy (Lexington) search
  • Baldwin, Briscoe Gerard; as Va. legislator search
  • Bowyer, John; as Va. legislator search
  • Brockenbrough, Arthur Spicer; as University of Virginia proctor search
  • Cabell, Joseph Carrington; as member of University of Virginia Board of Visitors search
  • Cabell, Joseph Carrington; as Va. state senator search
  • Cabell, Joseph Carrington; letters from search
  • Cary, Wilson Jefferson; as Va. legislator search
  • Central College; inspection and settlement of accounts of search
  • Cocke, John Hartwell (1780–1866); and inspection of Central College and University of Virginia accounts search
  • Cocke, John Hartwell (1780–1866); as member of University of Virginia Board of Visitors search
  • Cushing, Jonathan Peter; as president of Hampden-Sydney College search
  • Daniel, Peter Vyvian; as director of Va. Literary Fund search
  • Doddridge, Philip; as Va. legislator search
  • Garland, David Shepherd; as Va. legislator search
  • Gordon, William Fitzhugh; as Va. legislator search
  • Hampden-Sydney College; funding for search
  • Hunter, James; as Va. legislator search
  • Johnson, Chapman; and funding for University of Virginia search
  • Johnson, Chapman; as Va. state senator search
  • Literary Fund; and aid for Va. academies and colleges search
  • Literary Fund; and General Assembly search
  • Literary Fund; and loans for University of Virginia search
  • Literary Fund; University of Virginia Board of Visitors reports to search
  • Loyall, George; as member of University of Virginia Board of Visitors search
  • Peyton, Bernard; and University of Virginia search
  • Pleasants, James; as governor of Va. search
  • Pleasants, James; as Literary Fund president search
  • Rives, William Cabell; as Va. legislator search
  • schools and colleges; Ann Smith Academy (Lexington) search
  • schools and colleges; Hampden-Sydney College search
  • schools and colleges; Washington College (later Washington and Lee University) search
  • Sheffey, Daniel; as Va. legislator search
  • Taylor, Allen; as Va. legislator search
  • Virginia, University of; Administration and Financial Affairs; and remission of debt search
  • Virginia, University of; Administration and Financial Affairs; funding for search
  • Virginia, University of; Administration and Financial Affairs; inspection and settlement of accounts of search
  • Virginia, University of; Board of Visitors; and funds of University of Virginia search
  • Virginia, University of; Board of Visitors; annual reports of search
  • Virginia, University of; Board of Visitors; meetings of search
  • Virginia, University of; Construction and Grounds; building costs search
  • Virginia, University of; Construction and Grounds; ground plan of search
  • Virginia, University of; Construction and Grounds; Rotunda (library) search
  • Virginia, University of; Establishment; and General Assembly search
  • Virginia, University of; Establishment; opposition to search
  • Virginia; General Assembly search
  • Washington College (later Washington and Lee University) search
  • Watkins, Henry Edward; as Va. legislator search