Adams Papers

The American Commissioners to the Duke of Dorset, 28 October 1784

The American Commissioners
to the Duke of Dorset

Passy octr. 28th. 1784.

Mylord Duke

While M. hartley was here as Minister from the Court of Great Britain, we had the honour of mentioning to him that we were instructed by the Congress to treat on Some points distinct from any regulations of Commerce He Communicated this to his Court & the very Satisfactory answer which he received & made to us of its good disposition & willingness to receive & consider any propositions that might tend to promote and Secure a good understanding between the two countries confirm us in the opinion that those we have to make will be readily taken in to consideration.— For that purpose we now Communicate them to your Excellency as follows,

In the Preliminaries of Peace between England & France Signed on the 20th. of January 1783 and acceded to the Same day by the Ministers of the United States, the clause relative to captures is in these words voz “Les vaisseaux et effets qui pourroient être pris dans la manche, et dans les Mers du Nord, après l’espace de 12 jours à compter depuis la ratification des présens articles préliminaires, Seront de part et d’autre restitués, que le terme Sera d’un mois depuis la manche et les mers du Nord jusqu’aux Isles Canaries inclusivement Soit dans l’Océan, Soit dans la méditerannée; de deux mois depuis les dites Isles Canaries jusqu’à la ligne equinoctiale ou l’Equateur; et Enfin de Cinq mois dans tous les autres Endroits du Monde, Sans aucune Exception, ni autre description plus particuliere de tems et de lieux”—1 on this article Some doubts have arisen, and the Final decision of Sundry captures & questions of Insurance have been Suspended till those doubts should be obviated. This may be done we think by agreeing to invert the words, Jusqu’à la latitude des Isles Canaries, instead of Jusqu’aux Isles Canaries, and also the Words depuis la latitude des dittes Isles Canaries instead of depuis les dittes Isles Canaries;2 it being apparent From the mention of the Mediterranean as in the Same Stage with the Canaries and of the Equinoctial Line as the next Stage, that the line of Latitude of the Canaries was intended

The fourth article of the definitive Treaty declares it to be agreed that the Creditors on either Side Shall meet with no legal impediment to the recovery of the full value in Sterling money of all bona fide debts heretofore contracted.3

It is undoubtedly just that Law should rather aid than impede the execution of bona Fide Contracts; but there are Some unusual circumstances attending the English debts in america contracted prior to the war, that Seem to merit consideration, and to Show the reasonableness & utility of explaining & modifying that article, by Some provisions which we have to propose that may make the Collection of Such debts more practicable & more advantageous to the Creditors as well as debtors than the methods that are otherwise Likely to be pursued

We have further to propose that provision Should be speedily made for the Satisfaction of the masters whose negroes were Carried away with other property, contrary to the Express Stipulations of the 7th. article of the treaty and Farther we propose that measures be taken For liquidating the charges of Prisoners of War on Both Sides, in order to payment of the Balance.4

We apprehend that a Fair equitable & Friendly discussion & adjustment of theses matters may contribute mach to a Future good understanding & amity between the two Countries— With that view we have Stated them—& Shall hold ourselves ready to meet & confer thereon with any Minister authorized by your Court for the purpose; and are with great esteem & respect / Your Excellencys / most obedient, & most humble / Servants.

John Adams
B. Franklin.
T. Jefferson.

FC (Adams Papers); internal address: “His Grace The Duke of Dorset Ambassador / from his Britannic Majesty &a. &a. &a.”; notation by JA: “Letter 2 from Messrs / Adams Franklin & Jefferson / to / His Grace the Duke of Dorsett / Oct. 28. 1784.”

1For English translations of this passage, taken from Art. 22 of the 20 Jan. 1783 Anglo-French preliminary peace treaty, see the British and American proclamations of the cessation of hostilities of [14] and [20] Feb., respectively, vol. 14:265, 266, 284. The passage appears in those documents because the 30 Nov. 1782 Anglo-American preliminary peace treaty contained no such provision. Robert R. Livingston first raised the issue of the Canary Islands reference in letters of April 1783. The peace commissioners thought the meaning well understood but sought clarification in their [ante 19 July] draft definitive peace treaty (vol. 14:408, 437; 15:34, 36, 147, 158). The commissioners’ return to the question here stems first from their instructions of 29 Oct. (vol. 15:332–333), but it also reflects the British seizure of American ships owing to divergent interpretations of the provision, for which see JA’s letters to Benjamin Franklin and John Jay of 2 and 20 April 1784; Franklin’s 16 April letter to JA; and JA’s 20 April letter to John Hurd, all above.

2That is, This may be done we think by agreeing to invert the words, as far as the latitude of the Canary Islands, instead of as far as the Canary Islands, and also the Words from the latitude of the said Canary Islands instead of from the said Canary Islands.

3For Art. 4 of the Anglo-American definitive peace treaty, see vol. 15:248; for previous efforts to resolve the question of the payment of prewar debts, see the entries for “Debts” in the indexes to vols. 14 and 15.

4For Art. 7 of the Anglo-American definitive peace treaty, see vol. 15:249; for previous efforts to resolve the issues of the British removal of slaves and the reciprocal treatment of prisoners, see the entries for “Slaves” and “Prisoners of war” in the indexes to vols. 14 and 15.

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