Thomas Jefferson Papers

Thomas Leiper to Thomas Jefferson, [received 27 May 1823]

From Thomas Leiper

[received 27 May 1823]

Dear Sir

I had wrote you several letters1 which I intend for you but believe me I had not the Courage to forward them from the circumstance of their having too much Vinigar and pepper in them and as I was giving you my opinion freely of men perhapes I might mistaken and from that circumstance I retained them—But notwithstanding I am obliged to believe with Sterne from my own person knowledge—That “if2 there was neither Hell nor Gibbet mankind might be better” or if you please with Mathew Carey “say3 what you will of the Dignity of Humane nature man is wratched animal” President Monroe sent me his Message which I returned him my best thanks for it and I added which I am of the opinion now I had better not his Constitutional scruples respecting Canals and Turnpike4 roads and give him an extract from one of your letters to me “What a misfortune we should have War if we could remained in peace a few years we should have seen this whole Country Chequered with Canals and Turnpike Roads” Now I take it for Granted the Constitution would not stood in your way had you been President for this thing could not have been done without the Aid of the General Goverment—It has been a great misfortune to this country the opinions of Madison & Monroe they certainty have put the improvements of the country many years Back—I have had four Draw Back in my life in the Line of Pounds & pence you must undertand in Our Revolutionary War I wanted to get Richer than my Snuff Mills would let me and went to sea and most all I had made for years was put into a new ship or Brig untill they amounted to Eight my share in them when brought to the scale amounted to Eight Thousand Pounds—Admiral Digby came on our Coast with Fifty Frigates and he took the whole I was concerned in in Six months but you must undertand some of these Vessels made5 Voyages so that we made some thing in the same Traffic but I was the only one in the Concern that was not Ruined but it turned out very fortunate for me at this period and for years after the manufacturing of Snuff was a very Coining of money—As you wish to know how I am I will retail to you how matters stand with me—I have been puting too much Faith in man and those men too I tooked to be my friends—I have been indorsing their paper to the amount of some 40,000 Dollars—Twenty Thousand I have paid but what with the Curtailing of Banks which I have found very inconvenient and this curtailing has been all over our Country which has been the cause of bad collections and the Banks are Harrasing the whole trading people of this country—My Agent went South with Accounts to the Amount of $35,000 and Old Tobacco Accounts to the Amount of some 100,000 of Tobacco how he will succeed I shall be better able to inform at his return It is very true I got Real Estate to cover those endorsment but cannot sell any part but at a very great sacrifice I have comfort in the opinion of John Adams wherin he mentions he seen the end of Three Wars and that he has seen the6 depreciation of Real Estate7 at the end of each my mind is made up to hold on with my Real Estate for a better market—But I will Dwell no longer on this subject8 for the very Idea is painfull—

I am Blest in my family I have three sons Living and Six daughers and Twenty Three Grand Children all endeavouring to make me happy My Eldest son George is 36 years Old he has the Merchant the saw Mills a Large Farm and the saw Mill for stone—and the Stone quarries and is doing well he is of great service to Me—My son William took a Degree at our University Two years ago and has been in the line of my business ever since my Poor Son Samuel took a degree at our University last June went to the Snuff Mills and by want of Care stept into a Kettle of Boiling water and Scalded himself as high as the Knees and has been Noursed these Five9 months and it will be some Considerable time longer before he is well—Four of my Daughers are married to men of Character and stand well in society Notwithstanding what I have wrote I have great reason to be truly thankfull altho’ I must acknowledge debt comming against me is not so comfortable that I never expected—I was affraid I had disobliged you by sending the Two Portraits of Boneparte but Doctor Watson inform me you never knew from whence they came so from that circumstance you could not acknowledge the receipt but the late Edward Trent of Richmond was much to Blame who took charge of them and I have no doubt but I accompanied them with a note to you—In your letter to me their is an Idea conveyed that I have mentioned some thing respecting your Religion and seemed rather disobliged if I did I do not remember it indeed I think I could not for I never knew what they were and I am certain no One ever informed me But my reason for send you Towers Book was to shew you that King and Priestcraft10 would be speedly at an end—I rejoice when I look round me and see how Rapidly this very thing is comming to pass the downfall of Tyarnny and the introduction civil Liberty You are done with Politics I am sorry for it men of your great powers should hold out to the end of the Chapter and I hope you will see and use Your best means the absolute necessity that republics should have an Aliance as well as Despots—Great Britain will join us for their are still some choice Spirits there for they have rose in my estimation within these Two months Twenty Five per Cent You observe to me you read nothing but Morality my System of Morality is to be found in the 20th chaper of Exodus consisting of Ten commendments which was delivered by God to Mosses on mount Sinia which I believe to be a complete summary of the moral Law and look no further—I observe with a degree of pain that your Mr F— (whose name I do not recollect) wishes to be sent to Congress again and assigns as a reason if they do return him he will not Vote for John Q Adams for he was concerned in Making a Treaty that had deprived the southern States of Two Slave States This Doctrine must be popular or he would not have used it I have been informed formerly by a great number of Virginia Gentlemen that they were Cursed with that thing called Slavery notwithstanding the members of Congress to the south of the Patomac all Voted in favor of Extending it to Missouria—Sterne says very Justly “a Tree is known by its Fruit not its Blossoms.”—How do you like the imported of Wheat and Flour Their has been Three Cargoes import into New York the last Consisted of 100 Tons we have had but one Cargoe here but we will have more for my neighbor Mr Paul Beck who is a very correct merchant says it will pay a very good Freight from that circumstance we will have more of it—But John Taylor says we must purchase where we can produse it Cheapest—Chaptall is of a Different opinion and may add all the nations of Europe The Best news I can tell you from here is the sum necessary for making the Canal between the Delaware and Chesapeake is almost subscribed and their is no doubt of the Balance and the work will speedly progress—Here I have wrote Two sheets and I expect to be answered by Four for you can write Four sooner than I can do one and More to the purpose—You may write freely for no one sees your letters but myself and you may rely on it no part of them will be retailed unless11 it is answer some good purpose—I am with the greatest esteem and constant friendship and respect

Thomas Leiper

RC (DLC: TJ Papers, 224:40054–7); undated; endorsed by TJ as a letter of May 1823 received 27 May 1823. Recorded in SJL as a letter “without date” received 27 May 1823.

The phrase vinigar and pepper is in William Shakespeare, Twelfth Night, act 3, scene 4. if there was neither hell nor gibbet mankind might be better is a variant of “But men are worse than they need be, though there were neither hell nor gibbet in the question,” spuriously attributed to Laurence Sterne and originally published in [Richard Griffith], The Posthumous Works of a late Celebrated Genius, Deceased (London, 1770), 1:114. mathew carey wrote “Say what we will of the ‘dignity of human nature,’ man is a wretched animal” (An Appeal to Common Sense and Common Justice; or, Irrefragable Facts opposed to Plausible Theories: Intended to prove the extreme injustice, as well as the utter impolicy, of the existing tariff [2d ed., Philadelphia, 1822], 81). one of your letters to me: TJ to Leiper, 25 May 1808 (DLC), in which he wrote “give us peace till our revenues are liberated from debt, and then, if war be necessary, it can be carried on without a new tax or loan, and during peace we may chequer our whole country with canals, roads Etc.”

voyages: journeys or expeditions “undertaken with a military purpose” (OED description begins James A. H. Murray, J. A. Simpson, E. S. C. Weiner, and others, eds., The Oxford English Dictionary, 2d ed., 1989, 20 vols. description ends ). On 10 Jan. 1820 the Manufacturers’ & Farmers’ Journal, and Providence and Pawtucket Advertiser printed an extract of a 14 Dec. 1819 letter from john adams to editor William E. Richmond explaining that three wars (Adams wrote of four) in his lifetime had each “been followed by a general distress, embarrassments on Commerce, destruction of Manufactures; fall of the price of Produce and of Lands, similar to these we feel at the present day—and all produced by the same causes.” our university: the University of Pennsylvania. Leiper informed TJ of his gift of two portraits of Napoleon in his letter of 30 Nov. 1815. Edward W. trent died in Richmond in 1818 (Richmond Enquirer, 22 May 1818).

In a letter of 21 Jan. 1809 to Leiper (DLC), TJ acknowledged the receipt of Joseph Lomas Towers’s book entitled Illustrations of Prophecy, 2 vols. (London, 1796; repr. Philadelphia, 1808; Sowerby description begins E. Millicent Sowerby, comp., Catalogue of the Library of Thomas Jefferson, 1952–59, 5 vols. description ends , no. 1548), but he added that “religion is not the subject for you & me. neither of us knows the religious opinions of the other. that is a matter between our maker & ourselves. we understand one another better in politics.” Earlier in the same letter TJ wrote that “my religious reading has long been confined to the moral branch of religion.”

The biblical ten commendments are given in Exodus 20.2–17 and Deuteronomy 5.6–21. John Floyd (mr f—), of Botetourt County, won reelection to the United States House of Representatives in 1823. He based his opposition to the presidential election of John Quincy Adams on the Adams-Onís treaty (Richmond Enquirer, 25 Apr. 1823, and elsewhere). Griffith’s abovementioned Posthumous Works of a late Celebrated Genius, 2:35, includes the maxim that “A tree is to be judged by its fruit not its blossoms,” which in turn is adapted from a biblical parable, “for the tree is known by his fruit” (Matthew 12.33).

1Leiper here erased “before.”

2Omitted opening quotation mark preceding this word editorially supplied.

3Opening single quotation mark preceding this word editorially altered to double.

4Manuscript: “Turnpile.”

5Manuscript: “mad.”

6Manuscript: “the the.”

7Preceding three words interlined.

8Manuscript: “suject.”

9Word interlined in place of “Four.”

10Manuscript: “Piestcraft.”

11Manuscript: “uness.”

Index Entries

  • Adams, John; and effect of war on economy search
  • Adams, John Quincy; as secretary of state search
  • Adams, John Quincy; presidential prospects of search
  • Adams-Onís Treaty (1819); and slavery search
  • agriculture; importation of grains search
  • An Appeal to Common Sense and Common Justice (M. Carey) search
  • banks; and curtailment of loans search
  • Beck, Paul search
  • Bible; Exodus referenced search
  • Bible; Matthew referenced search
  • Bible; Ten Commandments search
  • boats; impressment of search
  • canals; Chesapeake and Delaware Canal Co. search
  • canals; in U.S. search
  • canals; TJ on search
  • Carey, Mathew; An Appeal to Common Sense and Common Justice search
  • Chaptal, Jean Antoine; writings of search
  • Chesapeake and Delaware Canal Company search
  • Congress, U.S.; and Missouri question search
  • Congress, U.S.; elections to search
  • Constitution, U.S.; and internal improvements search
  • Digby, Robert search
  • flour; importation of search
  • Floyd, John; as member of U.S. House of Representatives search
  • Great Britain; American supporters of search
  • health; burns search
  • Illustrations of Prophecy (J. L. Towers) search
  • Jefferson, Thomas; Books & Library; receives works search
  • Jefferson, Thomas; Opinions on; internal improvements search
  • Leiper, George Gray (Thomas Leiper’s son) search
  • Leiper, Samuel M. (Thomas Leiper’s son) search
  • Leiper, Thomas; and agriculture search
  • Leiper, Thomas; and internal improvements search
  • Leiper, Thomas; and politics search
  • Leiper, Thomas; and portraits of Napoleon search
  • Leiper, Thomas; and religion search
  • Leiper, Thomas; family of search
  • Leiper, Thomas; financial situation of search
  • Leiper, Thomas; letters from search
  • Leiper, Thomas; quarry of search
  • Leiper, William Jones (Thomas Leiper’s son) search
  • Madison, James (1751–1836); and internal improvements search
  • Manufacturers’ & Farmers’ Journal, and Providence and Pawtucket Advertiser (newspaper) search
  • Missouri question; congressional consideration of search
  • Monroe, James; and internal improvements search
  • Monroe, James; presidential messages of search
  • Moses (Hebrew prophet) search
  • Napoleon I, emperor of France; portraits of search
  • newspapers; Manufacturers’ & Farmers’ Journal, and Providence and Pawtucket Advertiser search
  • Pennsylvania, University of search
  • politics; TJ avoids political debates search
  • religion; and morality search
  • religion; TJ on search
  • religion; works on search
  • Revolutionary War; British depredations during search
  • Richmond, William Ebenezer; as editor ofManufacturers’ & Farmers’ Journal, and Providence and Pawtucket Advertiser search
  • schools and colleges; University of Pennsylvania search
  • Shakespeare, William; Twelfth Nightreferenced search
  • slavery; and elections search
  • slavery; and southern political power search
  • snuff (prepared tobacco) search
  • Sterne, Laurence; spurious work attributed to quoted search
  • Taylor, John (of Caroline); writings of search
  • tobacco; sale of search
  • tobacco; snuff search
  • Towers, Joseph Lomas; Illustrations of Prophecy search
  • Trent, Edward W.; death of search
  • Trent, Edward W.; receives goods for TJ search
  • Virginia; slavery in search
  • Watson, Fontaine; and T. Leiper search
  • wheat; importation of search