John Jay Papers

From John Jay to John Adams, 6 September 1785

To John Adams

Office for foreign Affairs 6 Septr 1785

Dr Sir

My last to you was of the 26 Ult. in which I mentioned the Dates of the Letters with which you had honored me, and the Rect of which then remained as unacknowledged. ^none from You have since arrived.^1

I have now the Honor of transmitting to You herewith inclosed a copy of an act of congress of the 18th. Ultimo—it contains a correspondence between the Govr of Massachusetts and capt. Stanhope of the commander of a british Frigate2

The Stile of the Captains of Letters was not such as might have been expected being very reprehensible gave occasioned to an ^the^ application to Congress which produced the Act in Question and I am persuaded that the views of Congress in directing it to be communicated to the british minister will be promoted by the manner in which you will do it.

The frequent Solecisms observable ^for some Years past^ in the Politics of the Court of Londons, render it exceedingly difficult to divine how they will think and act under almost any given Circumstances.

It is manifestly as much their Interest to be well with us, as for us to be well with them and yet the Gratification of unmanly Resentments are occasioned by Disappointment, seems to take the lead of more elevated and useful principles of action.

They expect much from the Trade of America, and yet they take Pains to cut off from every Source within their Reach by which we may make Remittances. It is strange that they should wish us to buy, and yet take so much pains ^be so industrious^ to put it out of our power to pay. Such a System must cause Loss of money to their merchants and Loss of Reputation to ours. I wish most sincerely that Credit was at an End, and that we could purchase Nothing abroad but for ready money—our Exportations would then be equally profitable, and as our Importations would be diminished, we ^shd^ have less to pay—domestic manufactures wd then be more encouraged, and Frugality and œconomy be^come^ more prevalent.

What Impression the Conduct of Capt Stanhope may make on the minister to me appears uncertain—certain however it is, that mutual cil civility and Respect must in the nature of Things precede mutual Benevolence and Kindness. The manner of your Reception & Treatment indicates their attention to this consideration and yet the Detention of the Posts, the strengthening their Garrisons in our Neighbourhood, the Encouragement said to be given to Settlers in those parts and various other circumstances of speake a Language very different from that of Kindness and good will.

They may hold the Posts, but they will hold them as Pledges of Enmity; and the Time must and will come when the Seeds of Discontent Resentment and Hatred which such measures always sow, will produce very bitter Fruit.3

I am well informed that some of the Loyalists advise and warmly press the Detention of the Posts—It is strange that Men who for ten Years have done nothing but decieve, should still retain any Credit. I speake of them collectively—among them there are Men of Merit; but to my Knowledge some of the most violent, the most bitter and implacable ^& yet most in Credit^ are Men who endeavoured to play between both Parties, and vibrated from Side to Side as the appearance of Success attracted them. Nay the very accounts of Losses they ^wh. many of ’em^ have presented, cont affords conclusive Evidence of their Inattention to Truth and common Decency. and tho’ the means of Detection are obvious, yet we are told Such however has been the Infatuation of british Counsels, that what is ^was^ manifest to others is ^was^ problematical ^if not intirely dark^ to them. ^[in margin] as to their present Minister—he has neither been long enough in administration, nor perhaps in the world, for a decided Judgment to be formed either of his private or public Character. He certainly seems to possess Firmness & ab as well as abilities and if to these be added Information and comprehensive as well as patriotic Views, he may be worthy of his Father—England will probably be either much the better or much the worse for him—^

We are anxious to recieve Letters from you on the Subject of the Posts, that in either Event we may be prepared. We In the one Case I should think it very justifiable in Congress to take a certain Step that would be more fatal to Britain longer and more favorably ^sensibly^ felt by Britain than the Independence of these States.

Mr Arthur Lee has been elected to the vacant Place at the Board of Treasury

Govr Rutledge declines going to Holland. The affair of Longchamps is adjusted—he stays where he is—With great Respect & Esteem—I am &ca.

(Signed) John Jay

Dft, NNC (EJ: 5768). Endorsed: “Draft …” Closing and endorsement in the hand of a clerk. LbkC, DNA: Foreign Letters description begins Foreign Letters of the Continental Congress and Department of State, 1785–1790, RG 59, item 121, National Archives (M61). Accessed on Fold3.com. description ends , 124–28 (EJ: 2427).

1JJ to JA, 26 Aug., acknowledging letters of 2, 6 and 17 June (LS, DNA: PCC, item 84, 5: 469–75, 491–96, 507–13 [EJ: 11841, 11852, 11844]; DC, description begins William A. Weaver, ed., Diplomatic Correspondence of the United States of America, from the Signing of the Definitive Treaty of Peace, 10th September, 1783, to the Adoption of the Constitution, March 4, 1789 (7 vols.; Washington, D.C., 1833–34) description ends 4: 198–203, 203–7, 213–20), and commending JA’s circumspection. See Dft, NNC (EJ: 5758); LbkC, DNA: Foreign Letters description begins Foreign Letters of the Continental Congress and Department of State, 1785–1790, RG 59, item 121, National Archives (M61). Accessed on Fold3.com. description ends , 123 (EJ: 2425).

2On the dispute between Captain Stanhope and the Governor of Massachusetts, see JJ’s report of 16 Aug., and notes, above.

3On recent information regarding British retention of posts, see JJ to the President of Congress, 2 Sept., above.

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