1To James Madison from George Joy, 14 September 1810 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
14 September 1810, Gothenburg. Has sent “copious Communications” to JM and to the secretary of state but vessels carrying them have been delayed by adverse winds. Requests JM to wait for the receipt of his letters before taking any measures or making any appointments relative to this region. RC ( DLC ). 1 p.
2To James Madison from George Joy, 31 May 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
31 May 1809, London. Has read the parliamentary debates on the Erskine agreement, which “are best reported in the Chronicle.” No doubt JM is better informed “than we can be here.” Encloses a copy of the instructions accompanying the 26 Apr. revision of the orders in council, as well as his letter to Canning in which Joy expresses his disappointment at the foreign secretary’s adamant stand...
3To James Madison from George Joy, 11 March 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
11 March 1809, London. Reports that at least eight ships from America have recently arrived in a British port in violation of the Embargo. Seeks appointment for himself and Samuel Williams as commercial agents for U.S. in London. Williams is known as an honorable man on the exchange and would be a valuable representative, particularly if Joy’s business took him elsewhere. RC ( DNA : RG 59,...
4To James Madison from George Joy, 25 July 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
25 July 1809, London. Joy believes his gadfly efforts have been partially successful and thinks his pro-American endeavors worthwhile, for he realizes “on what small Events the Affairs of nations sometimes hang.” RC ( DLC ). 2 pp.
5To James Madison from George Joy, 10 June 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
10 June 1809, London. Joy is upset over Canning’s handling of the Erskine affair. Expresses his own preference for the pleasures of private life over the plagues suffered when one is in the public eye and wishes JM could also withdraw from his political responsibilities. RC ( DLC ). 10 pp.
6To James Madison from George Joy, 9 September 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
9 September 1809, Harwich, England. Discusses British attempt to blockade the entire French coast and control U.S. trade. Informs JM of the unfortunate situation of American ships held captive in Denmark and describes his plans to spend time there endeavoring to free them. RC and duplicate ( DLC ). RC 16 pp. Duplicate 21 pp.; enclosed in Joy to JM, 5 Oct. 1809 ( DLC ).
7To James Madison from George Joy, 18 April 1808 (Madison Papers)
Enclosing lest you should not have recd it before the decision of Judge Mackintosh; I am, Dr Sir, Yr: friend & Servt. DLC : Papers of James Madison.
8To James Madison from George Joy, 14 November 1811 (Madison Papers)
The Constitution is at length arrived, and Mr: Russell informs me that she is to return to France before she will proceed to America; which will not probably be till some time in the Month of Janry. My Plan of embarking in her is by this means disconcerted; and the detail of Communication, that I was desirous of making personally, delayed. I am now strongly persuaded to defer my departure till...
9To James Madison from George Joy, 9 January 1816 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
§ From George Joy. 9 January 1816, New England Coffee House London. “I have just heard of an opportunity of sending the enclosed Duplicates, by a fast sailing Vessel from Dover. Should both Copies arrive, one will be sufficient to transmit to Mr. Benjn: Joy.” Adds in a postscript: “The 1sts. are in the Nabby: Care of Mr: Gelston.” RC ( DLC : Rives Collection, Madison Papers). 1 p. Docketed on...
10To James Madison from George Joy, 2 February 1822 (Madison Papers)
I purchased, some three years ago, the first volume of the Histoire de l’Esprit revolutionaire des nobles en France, and left an Order with my french Bookseller here to send me the second as soon as it should arrive; intending after perusal to pass them to you. To various enquiries since, I have received various answers—the last of which was that they did not believe it would be published at...
11To James Madison from George Joy, 31 December 1814 (Madison Papers)
It is long since I had the honor of addressing you; much longer since I had that of receiving a Line from you; the last being of the date of Janry 1811. I have very sudden notice of Mr: Carroll’s arrival and Departure; and write this in the Coffee House with him, without any opportunity of referring to or enclosing any papers save the printed section of the Pamphleteer No 8. which, if the...
12To James Madison from George Joy, 27 March 1808 (Madison Papers)
The Document called for by Lord Holland and referred to within has not come to my hands, and I believe therefore it is not yet before the Lords. It would be useful in shewing how far the defalcation in Trade is owing to late measures, by distinguishing the falling off in the last quarter of 1807 compared with the corresponding Quarters of 1805 & 6; but this would appear trifling compared with...
13To James Madison from George Joy, 27 June 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
27 June 1809, London. Appointed the American consul in Rotterdam, Joy has not taken his post. He has heard of the difficulties now thrown in the way of travelers trying to reach Holland. Encloses a letter telling of the uncertain status of neutral vessels, including American ships now in the Amsterdam port. Joy has applied for a passport through “the Court of Holland” instead of through Paris,...
14To James Madison from George Joy, 18 October 1811 (Madison Papers)
The Constitution is now daily expected at Cowes; and by her I hope to embark for the U.S. I am just now advised of a Bag at the N. York Coffee House for Letters to be sent by a fast sailing ship from Liverpool, and send this in the presumption that it may arrive before the Constitution. I am advised of the Condemnation of the Julian, Hercules, Catharine & Atlantic, (carried into Dantzic in May...
15To James Madison from George Joy, 23 February 1809 (Madison Papers)
By the enclosed you will perceive the use I have made of the Papers you were so good to send me. This Copy I had prepared for Mr: Whitbread who has already in his hands some Essays I had written for the Chronicle for which the Debates & ca. having left no Room, I desired the Editor to pass them into his hands; and he has since assured him he thinks them very important, and shall benefit by...
16To James Madison from George Joy, ca. 20 October 1810 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
Ca. 20 October 1810, Copenhagen. Reports that he arrived in Copenhagen on 11 Oct. and that he has had discussions and correspondence with the French minister and Danish cabinet officials on the subjects already mentioned in his letters of 7 Oct. and 8 Sept. The French minister asked him what he thought of the extension of the Continental System. Privately the minister admitted the absurdity of...
17To James Madison from George Joy, 23 June 1812 (Madison Papers)
I have yet received no appointment from Lord Sidmouth since I wrote you on the 20th. Instant. I may have been mistaking in his saying he would write me on Sunday but I am sure he said the appointment would not pass this day and it is now ½ past 3 O’Clock. I have sent him the letter of yesterday of which I enclose copy & which I presume reached his hands within the last hour. Having a letter...
18To James Madison from George Joy, 16 September 1810 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
16 September 1810, Gothenburg. Has not yet had an answer from Saabye to the enclosure. Reports that he has been mortified by rumors “that Mr. Joy had no authority and could therefore be of no use” in protecting American ships in the Baltic. Discusses the methods of determining commissions paid by mercantile houses and the reasons for his preference of another Copenhagen firm over Saabye’s....
19George Joy to James Madison, 22 June 1830 (Madison Papers)
It is long since I had the pleasure of addressing you, and still longer since I had that of hearing from you. The Time was when I should have troubled you with a long narrative of my political movements; but I have great repugnance to invading your repose:— otherwise I could have sent you half a Dozen folio Sheets of Correspondence with the Powers that be; in which you would recognize...
20To James Madison from George Joy, 24 May 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
24 May 1809, London. Reports varied reactions from members of the American community in London to news of the Erskine agreement. In a postscript he adds: “the Committee of American Merchants have been apprised that Mr: Erskine had exceeded his instructions & the Govt: will not ratify his Agreemt:—since confirmed by two of the Committee whom I have seen.” RC , two copies ( DLC ). 4 pp. One copy...
21George Joy to James Madison, 19 February 1835 (Madison Papers)
I find there is an oppy for Letters to reach the Packet of the 16th at Portsmouth. I have therefore had my Notes on the Relations with France transferred from the Shorthand, and cover them herein. If they reach the Coffee House in time, you will get them by the same Ship that takes my Letter of the 16th. I suppose the question of the Speakership is settled, and that by this Ship you will hear...
22To James Madison from George Joy, 7 October 1810 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
7 October 1810, Gothenburg. Reports that his letter of 16 Sept. to JM had not left the port when he received the enclosed letter from Saabye. Finds Saabye’s reply personally satisfactory and is convinced that Saabye is a man of integrity; but is still at a loss how to proceed. Suspects that there is an effort to “conceal from our Countrymen the Object of my residence in these cold Regions.”...
23To James Madison from George Joy, 29 May 1822 (Madison Papers)
I left town before it was known what Letter Bags might float ashore from the Albion; some having found their way at intervals to London. On my return Mr Rush has informed me that he has every reason to suppose there were Despatches on board her for him; and as two regular Ships have since arrived, I send this merely to apprize you that anything you may have favored me with by that Conveyance...
24To James Madison from George Joy, 17 May 1808 (Madison Papers)
The Osage furnishes so good an opportunity that I am induced to avail myself of it to hand you sundry papers with which I did not intend to trouble you, and which may therefore wait your leisure for their perusal. Besides Copies of such of my Letters as may from the late interruptions have miscarried; I hand you a Correspondence with Sir Isaac Coffin on the subject of Impressments; part of...
25George Joy to James Madison, 18 June 1835 (Madison Papers)
I have two members watching the progress of the Registration and Impressment Bills; and I shall leave to the Press to inform you what is passing in publick on that subject with the more Confidence; as I presume the Editors in the U. S. will suffer nothing bearing upon it to escape them. The enclosed Copy of a Letter, I have sent to Lord John Russell, will show the project which I had suggested...
26To James Madison from George Joy, 5 October 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
5 October 1809, Gothenburg, Sweden. Transmits copy of his letter to JM of 9 Sept. Awaits in Gothenburg the arrival of “the Documents necessary to support my Pretensions,” which have been delayed by irregular mail and wartime interruptions. If he does not receive papers within forty-eight hours, proposes proceeding to Copenhagen without them. The wind and weather make it possible that the...
27To James Madison from George Joy, 3 August 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
3 August 1809, London. Encloses draft of a memorial to the king of Denmark and Norway protesting Danish depredations on U.S. shipping. These attacks on “no less than fifty four ships” are the latest object of Joy’s attention and diverted him from taking up his post as American consul in Holland. The American minister in London has advised him “to deviate from his intended Voyage [to Holland]...
28To James Madison from George Joy, 8 March 1824 (Madison Papers)
I cover this Paper because it contains, I fear too true a Picture of France. I remember to have written to you, some twenty years ago, I am afraid with more levity than was becoming, that that People did not know a Bill of Rights from a Cabbage Plant —meaning the Mass, for surely they have had men among them that understood the Principles of Civil Liberty— but in fact they are not a thinking...
29George Joy to James Madison, 11 June 1834 (Madison Papers)
I wrote you on the 4th ⅌ Philadelphia Packet enclosing copy of a letter of ancient date to my Brother, in which I believe the words "to Hamburg" after the words "in the Launch" in the 1st page were omitted by the copyist. There is a panegyric on Lafayette, in the Times of this morning, which I suppose will be transferred to the American Papers, in which the Author expresses his wonder that he...
30To James Madison from George Joy, 23 February 1815 (Madison Papers)
The delay of Mr: Welles by contrary winds enables me to add to my Letter of the 19th four other numbers of my Conciliator Vizt: Ns 5, 6, 7 and 9. If farther delay should occur I shall forward the remainder which are copying for that purpose. Always very respectfully Dr sir Your most obedt servt: RC and enclosures ( DLC ). RC docketed by JM . Joy enclosed manuscript copies of his “Conciliator”...
31To James Madison from George Joy, 16 March 1824 (Madison Papers)
I sent you on the 4th Ult: the Debates on the King’s Speech; and I now cover to your address those on the Motion of the Marquess of Lansdown. I also annex Extracts from my Correspondence with Mr. Adams to which my recollection has been called by the speech of Lord Ellenborough. It is as well to know the true Case; which his Lordship evidently does not know. It is indeed very possible that...
32To James Madison from George Joy, 10 February 1808 (Madison Papers)
Here is a Pamphlet which I have but just had time to read at one Sitting making the Notes stenographically in Pencil as I went along; and hearing immy. after of a sudden Conveyance I have hastily transcribed them in a Coffee House & send them without having time to read them over. I have heard the opinion of 2 or 3 judicious friends on the Work who commend it highly; at which I am the more...
33To James Madison from George Joy, 8 March 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
8 March 1809, London. He has written Lord Grenville regarding inconsistencies in the parliamentary debates over the naval blockade, the enforcement of which has exceeded “the rule of the War of 1756.” He attended the debates where Rose and Canning spoke, the latter saying with “the most consummate Impudence” that he would not discuss the state of American negotiations. Joy took “copious Notes”...
34To James Madison from George Joy, 4 February 1824 (Madison Papers)
This paper has met with an accident, but I cannot find a new one. They are all bought up; which is not unfrequently the case on the opening of Parliament. It has led my eye however to an Article, which I should not have noticed, after reading through the Debates. I think I wrote you some time ago of little Moore’s Conversion. Whether this is from himself or not I have not yet learned; neither...
35To James Madison from George Joy, 12 February 1808 (Madison Papers)
Yesterday, and not before, I recd. your very acceptable favor of the 12th. Decr. Ult:. I am greatly obliged by the commission contained therein, as well as the flattering manner in which it is conveyed. I beg the favor of you to make my acknowledgements to the President & Senate, which are not the less due on account of the circumstances which render the prosecution of the trust at this moment...
36To James Madison from George Joy, 31 May 1808 (Madison Papers)
I have just dispatched for you by this Conveyance duplicate of my Letters of the 24th. Inst: and now while perusing the Newspapers rec’d from America P. Packet a Captn: Hopkins of Boston, just arrived from Cadiz, has ed into the Box with me at the New England. I have met this Bon-homme once before in my Life, and believe he is esteemed a Man of truth. He informs me that he saw at Cadiz a...
37To James Madison from George Joy, 22 February 1812 (Madison Papers)
I did not intend troubling you with triplica⟨tes⟩ of these sheets but finding that the Orbit is about sailing in ballast from Liverpool, and may probably arrive before the William & Henry for Boston, or the Friends for Norfolk; I send them herewith to Mr: Maury for that purpose. The Resolution of the Captn: of the Orbit to sail in ballast arises from the News just received, that the Goods...
38To James Madison from George Joy, 12 March 1808 (Madison Papers)
Finding the Sally is detained at Liverpool for Mr. Bowdoin’s family, I now cover Copy of my Last and the Documents therein referred to. I have handed Lord Holland Duplicate of these Calculations with some farther Remarks particularly on the fallacy of the Testimony before the West India Committee, & especially that of Mr. Ingles relative to the supplies of Articles of the first necessity from...
39To James Madison from George Joy, 24 February 1812 (Madison Papers)
I have now seen the letter from Mr. Percival which I mentioned to you in the Postscript to Dupl : of my Letter of the 22nd and the following is an Extract of it, written from memory to be sure, but in respect to the emphatical words literal, and in other respects substantially if not verbally correct. Viz: “That the perseverance in the measure of the orders in Council is not grounded in...
40To James Madison from George Joy, 2 September 1810 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
2 September 1810, Gothenburg. Resumes the discussion of subjects raised in his last letter, in April, and considers the changes that have occurred since then. Declares that the “enormous Duties” imposed by France will annul the effects of the recent revocation of its decrees. Discusses the present state of the trade in colonial goods in the Baltic and the prospects for the repeal of the...
41To James Madison from George Joy, 19 December 1810 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
19 December 1810, Copenhagen. “I am yet unadvised of the fate of my Letters that were put on shore at Gottenburg; and such of the Duplicates that I have sent to replace them … save that these last have passed safely into Sweden. I therefore give this an entirely different direction.” In a postscript lists the papers enclosed: Joy to JM, 8 Oct. 1810 and October 1810; cabinet secretary to Joy,...
42To James Madison from George Joy, 16 November 1810 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
16 November 1810, Copenhagen. Informs JM he has credible information that some of his letters have been put ashore at Gothenburg, including a letter for JM enclosed in one addressed to Warder & Sons of Philadelphia. Cannot account for the captain’s conduct, nor can he discern the fate of the letters. The Eclipse of Philadelphia sailed with a similar set of papers, “but I enclose such Copies as...
43To James Madison from George Joy, 29 May 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
29 May 1809, London. Repeats a rumor [mentioned in a postscript to a 24 May letter to JM ] that the British cabinet considered accepting the Erskine agreement, but the king rejected it on the ground that he was “personally insulted.” Encloses copy of a six-page letter Joy sent anonymously to Canning which is critical of the foreign secretary’s American policy. RC and enclosure ( DLC ). RC 2...
44To James Madison from George Joy, 18 July 1811 (Madison Papers)
Having a Copy of the Letter from the Danish Chancery to the Admiralty enclosed in my Letter to you of the 1st Inst: and hearing very suddenly of an Estafette bound to Gottenborg whence a schooner is about sailing to the U. S. I beg leave to hand you the said Copy annexed and am always very respectfully, Dear sir, Yr. friend & Servt. RC and enclosure ( DLC : Rives Collection, Madison Papers)....
45To James Madison from George Joy, 8 October 1810 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
8 October 1810, Gothenburg. Continues “the thread of my discourse of yesterday.” Stresses the importance of JM’s appointing good men to office in the region and hopes to recommend, as he promised, a good man for the consulship at Gothenburg. Is going to Copenhagen and regrets not being able to accomplish his purposes here. Believes that Sweden, having elected a French prince to its throne,...
46To James Madison from George Joy, 27 August 1822 (Madison Papers)
I have not seen Mr: Rush since the Packet Liverpool was a missing Ship; but Mr: Maury whom I met here at dinner on sunday last had seen him that morning and was informed by him that there was a long arrear of information due to him from Washington; and we are now advised that the abovementioned packet was sunk by the Ice on the Banks of Newfoundland. It would be against the doctrine of...
47George Joy to James Madison, 4 June 1834 (Madison Papers)
It would be grateful to me to hear more from you than falls to my lot in these latter days. My last communication was conditional. I enclosed to Gales & Seton, under cover and open to Mr Livingston, a Times newspaper of the 5th. of feby 1833 containing a letter signed Senex, which I had sent to the Editor some 14 night before and which he had kept till he could make up his mind to an analogous...
48To James Madison from George Joy, 15 January 1806 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
§ From George Joy. 15 January 1806, London. “I hand you Copy of my dispatches ⅌ packet, except the Case of the Fame of wch I have none but in short hand at present. I was yesterday advised that Government had sent to the Commons for a List of all the late neutral Cases. I have not had time to ascertain, and perhaps I never shall know whether those movements are in any degree influenced by the...
49To James Madison from George Joy, 13 June 1812 (Madison Papers)
I have just parted from Mr. Walker of Birmingham whom you will find mentioned in the Chronicle of this date as having received a certain intimation from Lord Castlereagh. Mr: Walker denies altogether the imperious Language of Lord C. which he will require to be contradicted in the Chronicle—he even constructed from his Language that a directly different result would follow. But on repetition...
50To James Madison from George Joy, 11 October 1807 (Madison Papers)
Having accidental Notice of a Ship at Brest changing her Voyage, and proceeding imm’y. to Boston; I have advised Mr: Monroe, thro’ Purviance, where his dispatches will find the Captn: and he intends making it one of his Conveyances. You will thus receive information, which it is not in my power to communicate, relative to the late interview of Mr: M. with Canning. All that I can now add to my...