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Extracts from Melancton Smith’s Notes of Debates, 2 July 1788

Extracts from Melancton Smith’s Notes of Debates

[Poughkeepsie, 2 July 1788]

Mr Jay Factions may prevail—as in Holland— this 1/3 may prevent a benefl. Loan—

will promote wars—

has been attended, with bad effects—in G. Britain—

more important, to form this check, than under the confedn

^[in margin] Mr. Jay. in republics^ In Rep. govts. sentiments under three divis[ion]s— suppose two contendg nat[ion]s— will be two parties— a third the public good— another local consid[eration]s— A Case put— suppose a contest—wt Spain Miss[issippi]—hastened— It may happen that the honour of the Country concerned— part may regret, that this war hast[e]ned— and will be loth to go into the war— wrong to do this— unwise to leave the safety of the whole to a part—Suppose the French & America concert oper[ation]s agt. the English—the English may influence a part—so the French—

No restriction, as it respects the lower house of this kind—

the same reasoning applies to Treaties as to borrowing—no great loss in not making a Treaty— The Eastern & middle States & Southern may clash—if a majority of the Senate— The States may be so divided—

War is War— Atlantic States most likely to suffer— New States arising—

Melancton Smith, n.d. (Wisconsin Historical Society, 99304)

Western States, may say we will not make War—

The case of impeachments not similar—the lower house impeach by majority—two thirds of impeachments, under influence of parties—…

Mr. Jay. The danger of the amendt. calls him up—

Suppose a dangerous war will it be wise to put it in the power of 5 Men to disarm the Continent—

AD, N: Melancton Smith notes; DHRC description begins John P. Kaminski, Gaspare J. Saladino, Richard Leffler, Charles H. Schoenleber, and Margaret A. Hogan, eds. Documentary History of the Ratification of the Constitution (28 vols. to date; Madison, Wis., 1976–) description ends , 22: 2070, 2075. On the treaty power, see also John McKesson’s notes of this date; and The Federalist 64, 5 Mar. 1788, JJSP description begins Elizabeth M. Nuxoll et al., eds., The Selected Papers of John Jay (4 vols. to date; Charlottesville, Va., 2010–) description ends , 4: 654–67.

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