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From James Madison to James Monroe, 3 February 1824

To James Monroe

Montpellier Feby. 3. 1823 [1824]

Dear Sir

I recd. a few days ago a letter from Mr. Mclean P. M. G. inclosing an application from Mr. Wagner for permission to publish the Archives of the Revolutionary Congress: and conveying “your request of my advice” on the subject; it being supposed “that my acquaintance with Mr. W. would enable me to judge of his ability & integrity.[”] As I felt much respect for Mr. Mclean, and as he spoke directly from yourself, I gave the prompt answer which I do not inclose because it will of course be communicated to you. Not wishing to attach to it an importance which might be implyed by making it confidential, I did not mark it as such. It has since occurred that it may be best not to leave it open to be viewed in a different light: and I will thank you to make the remark to Mr. Mclean, which may be done with truth I presume, as an inference from yourself, and without manifesting any doubt on my part of the delicacy of Mr. M. a doubt which I do not in the least entertain. Misapprehension alone could, I am sure, mislead him in such a case.

The second thought I have expressed was suggested by my ignorance of the footing on which Mr. Wagner may be with the Secretary of State, to whom as the Keeper of the Archives, an immediate application, if not made to yourself was most obvious, especially if there be no particular intimacy between Mr. W. & the intermediary chosen; and by my ignorance also of his course as it may have related to yourself, and indeed of his general course for a period of years past. For myself I should not under any circumstances refuse to do him the justice of saying that during his service in the Department of State whilst it was cotemporary with mine at the head of it, I had full evidence of his ability without any whatever of his want of integrity or fidelity. After the resignation of his post I had no personal communication with him, nor any particular knowledge of his career. From the manner in which he withdrew I had a right to suppose that he was dissatisfied, tho’ the cause was never explained, and his manner of alluding, in his Memorandum, to his official period, has the aspect of studiously avoiding a reference to his then Superior, either from an unfriendly feeling in himself, or a belief of an unfriendly one towards him.1 Whatever may be the reality of the former, there is so little of the latter that if the publication in question be decided on, and he be viewed as the proper hand for the task, I should never wish him to be deprived of its advantage. This is sufficiently shewn by my letter to Mr. Mclean, however I may incline that its purport should not be exposed to the risk of misconstructions by those whose knowledge of circumstances may be either greater, or less than mine. Health & every other happiness

James Madison

RC (DLC: Monroe Papers); draft (DLC). RC conjectural year assigned based on the draft, dated “Feby 4. 1824,” and on the references in this letter to John McLean to JM, 28 Jan. 1824 and JM to McLean, 2 Feb. 1824. RC docketed by Monroe. Minor differences between the copies have not been noted.

1In a letter to Timothy Pickering, 17 Dec. 1821, Wagner gave vent to his feelings about JM: “Mr. M. I always considered a profound master of dissimulation in public affairs. In his private character, I gratefuly attest to his urbanity and correctness of intercourse with his friends and all others. Mr. Jefferson, though equally dextrous in wearing borrowed appearances to further his political views, was less cautious, discreet and free from the impulse of his personal feelings, which often betrayed him. … In the course of six years intimacy and confidence, which I enjoyed with Mr. Madison, I never but once knew him to surprize himself into an indiscretion. This was in telling me, that Mr. Crawford, a Clerk in his office, must be discharged, because his father had voted for Mr. Adams as President. He was the only Clerk Mr. Madison ever dismissed; and to continue the episode, the whole Pennsylvania delegation, with one exception, called upon him to cashier me, but he not only refused—he used the delicacy never to mention the matter to me.

“I could multiply examples of his dissimulation in public affairs. You are well acquainted with those which are public. His whole administration as President is a tissue of it. Mr. Robert Smith’s publication is a record of it. The dismissal of the Minister Jackson for insulting language, which could not be found, when the real cause was an antecedent proscription by Bonaparte, for a real or supposed connection with Drake’s affair; the business of Turreau’s letter, which I obtained and published some years ago; and the proclamation, which on the ground of a pretended revocation by Bonaparte of his decrees, led to the war by absolving France from commercial restraints, without the merit of a compliance with the condition imposed by law; these transactions, when viewed in connection with their attendant circumstances, are pretty emphatic illustrations of a want of sincerity of the conspicuous statesman who was the author of them.

“Though all intercourse between us has ceased, it has not arisen from any injury or offence against me. For that, and a more characteristic reason, I wish not to appear before the world as his enemy, or accuser. In this understanding, I will mention one, among many of his crooked ways, which filled me with disgust, before I resolved to quit a station, which I constantly offered to leave open for another candidate. Dr. George Davis of New York had been Consul at Tunis, and was patronized by Colo. Burr. At a time when he was engaged in one of those boisterous but generally inconsequential disputes, which are so common in the regencies of Barbary, Commodore Rogers arrived, listened to the Bey, and without either authority or good policy removed Davis from Office and brought him home. At Washington, the conduct of the Consul was investigated and approved; and I was directed to tell him the decision, which had taken place, … it was not expedient to attempt to force him back into his former station, he would be provided with an equivalent office. This communication I made and he danced attendance upon me a length of time to know when the boon should be ready for him. Meanwhile Burr’s consequence decisively declined, and on entering the office one morning, Mr. Madison, after passing Davis in my apartment as he had often done before, he asked me, when we were alone, “what could that little fellow want? he hoped he did not expect to get an office.” I answered firmly, that he did, and with reason, as he had been promised one by me under his direction. With this decided stand he was stunned, as he expected to smother the matter with my acquiescence. It is a remarkable trifle, that whenever he affected uncommon contempt for an individual, though a small person himself, he did not fail to ascribe the epithet little fellow” (Frederick S. Allis Jr., ed., The Timothy Pickering Papers [MHi microfilm ed.; 69 reels; Boston, 1966], reel 31).

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