John Jay Papers

To John Jay from Catharine W. Livingston, 30 December 1783

From Catharine W. Livingston

Elizabeth Town Decr. 30th .83

Permit me my dear Sir to wish you and Sister, the Compliments of the season, and to assure you that no one more sincerely wishes the ensueing year may be propitious to your every wish than your friend who has now the pleasure of writing to you—

The Church disputes far from subsideing, rage with more violence than ever. The Whigs finding the Moreans or in plain English the Tories the strongest party, are determined to petition the Legeslature for their interposition— They will never stop short of depriveing Mr. Moore of the Rectorship, in which tho I am no Churchwomen I think they are perfectly right— They ought indeed to go further— They should silence Mr. Moore altogether— I am no friend to persecution, but I think in the present criticle situation of their City the Tories will have no reason to complain if we do nothing more than prevent their holding any Office which may give them influence, until they can consent, to lay aside their hankering after the flesh pots of Britain—1

Yesterday, opened the Election for their City Members, a very contested one was expected— I am sorry to hear that some Men bid fair to succeed who are very unequal to the task of Legislation.2

The danceing Assembly met with great opposition, some from Religious, or others from Politicle motives opposed it, but the Loyal Managers, (Augustus Van Courtland & Daniel Ludlow) resigning, and expunging some of their rules appeased the populace and they have carryed them into execution—3 A private Ball at the Chancellers, another at Uncle P.V.B. Livingston’s in Compliment to his Excellency Gen1 Washington, (as he quartered there) are all I have heard of—

Your friend Dr. Bancroft spent some time with us going and returning from New York— Mr. Holker introduced him and ^has^ assured us that the Dr. had not had for several years so agreeable a relaxation from Politicks— When I last heard from Philadelphia that gentleman was propareing to sail for Charles Town, but the weather seting in very severe shortly after it is probable has detained him— The Dr. did not leave us without a promise to repeat his visit in the Spring— I shall consider his doing it a mark of his approbation of the reception we gave him— A more agreeable visiter we could not have entertained, as he gave us a more particular account respecting your ^health &^ family than any we have received since your residence in France— I believe I mentioned in a former letter that we had not the pleasure of seeing Mrs. Izard— And Colo. Ogden if I may judge from his remisness must make another Voyage to Europe to be instructed in good breeding.

Mr. Rt. Morris I hear seems determined to quit the first of next May then G. M. will, I suppose, return to his Mammy.4

We have never been so att a loss to tell where you are as at present not having received any letters of a later date than August. Are Mr & Mrs. Ridley in Paris or London the Dr. and Mr. Holker differed on that subject If it be not premature will you wish them joy for me— I wrote to Mr. Ridley the same time I writ to Sister and intended it to go from Phila. that you should hear from us before the Arrival of Sir Guy. Sisters letter I detained to go with Major Upham at his particular request— Mr. Holker thought proper to bring back the letter and send it in the LOrient Packet—which must have occasioned its very late arrival—

The Legislature of this State having risen we are hourly expecting my Father home—by ^the^ enclosed letter you will see its determined that Master Peter stays with us this Winter—he is very ambitious to write equal to his Aunt Susan his instructer. this morning as I was looking over him I read his copy for the day—Commend virtuous deeds— I must do more than that, says he I must imitate them— He has read Rob^in^son Crusoe & Don Quixote—he is now reading nature delineated and is exceedingly pleased with the natural History they contain—5 he begins the exercise of the day and closes the same with reading a few Chapters in the Bible—he has learnt many of the hymns in the book you sent him & frequently expresses a great desire to see you and his Mamma— He enjoys good health and is often complimented with having his Mamma’s complextion— It is indeed Sun and frost proof—his under teeth are like Sally’s, the upper ones that have made their appearance are rather larger, they are perfectly white, but foul the soonest of any I ever saw—as we have paid attention to drawing the decayed & those that were in the way, they have every chance of being sound and well cut.

Your brother Fady and Mrs. Jay are well. Nancy and Peter I suppose as much so as usual or I should have heard to the contrary— In the spring I intend to pay them a visit. Would this Winter if it were practicable and I were sure it would be convenient to them Kiss Sally and your sweet babes for me, and I’ll pay you with interest when we have the pleasure of meeting— Mamma Susan and Peter unite with me in Love to Sister and you. Yr Affect F & S

CWL

ALS, NNC (EJ: 8117). Endorsed: “ . . . Recd 1 Apr 1784”. Enclosure not located. Omissions in HPJ description begins Henry P. Johnston, ed., The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay (4 vols.; New York, 1890–93) description ends , 3: 101–3.

1When the arch-Loyalist Charles Inglis resigned the rectorship of Trinity Church on 1 Nov. 1783, Trinity’s Loyalist Corporation replaced him with the assistant minister Benjamin Moore (1748–1816). The self-named “Whig Episcopalian” faction, led by Robert R. Livingston and James Duane, failed to force Moore’s resignation and therefore petitioned the Council for the Southern District for his removal. The Council vested temporary control of the church, pending legislative action by New York State, in the hands of nine trustees, including Duane, William Duer, and Lewis Morris. Early in February the trustees appointed as rector Samuel Provoost (1742–1815), the assistant minister of Trinity Church from 1766 to 1771, who had resigned because of Trinity’s growing Loyalist congregation. Although refusing to acknowledge the legality of Provoost’s appointment, Moore resigned on 7 Feb. On 17 Apr. 1784 the New York State Legislature passed “An Act for making such Alterations in the Charter of the Corporation of Trinity Church as to render it more conformable to the Constitution of the State.” The new vestry elected Provoost rector on 22 Apr. 1784, in effect separating from English control and making it a unit of the Church in America in communion with the Church of England. Morgan Dix, et al., A History of the Parish of Trinity Church in the City of New York (6 vols.; New York, 1898–1962), 2: 1–25, 245–54; Laws of the State of New York (2 vols., New York, 1789), 1: 128–31.

2From 29 Dec. to 5 Jan. 1784 the city’s electors chose representatives to the state assembly and senate. Sidney I. Pomerantz, New York: An American City, 1783–1803 (New York, 1938), 26, 29. For RRL’s comments on the election results, see his letter to JJ of 25 Jan. 1784, below.

3On 3 Dec. 1783 Rivington’s New York Gazette carried a notice signed by Augustus Van Cortlandt, Nicholas Fish (1758–1833), Lewis A. Scott, and Henry Brockholst Livingston for a meeting of those wishing to become subscribers to a proposed dancing assembly to elect managers for the year. The managers chosen postponed the opening of the assembly from 18 Dec. until the 23rd in order to be “fully prepared”. Rivington’s New-York Gazette, 3, 13, 17, and 20 Dec. 1783.

On 20 Dec. an article attacking the promoters of the assembly as a coalition between certain Whigs and “some of the most atrocious, and obnoxious Tories” appeared in the Independent Gazette; in response an unsigned article in the 22 Dec. The Independent Journal, or, The General Advertiser promised that “the greatest care had been taken to exclude every character, whose admission could possibly give a pang to a real Whig.” For the Dancing Assembly prior to the Revolution, see the editorial note “The Dancing Assembly: Invitation to a Duel,” JJSP, 1 description begins Elizabeth M. Nuxoll et al., eds., The Selected Papers of John Jay: Volume 1, 1760–1779 (Charlottesville, Va., 2010) description ends : 74–75.

4Robert Morris had intended to resign as the superintendent of finance early in 1784, but was unable to cover his obligations until news of a new Dutch loan to the United States arrived in early May. His final letter of resignation was dated 1 Nov. 1784, a day after Congress had been scheduled to reassemble. Gouverneur Morris was his assistant in the office of Finance. See PRM description begins E. James Ferguson et al., eds., The Papers of Robert Morris, 1781–1784 (9 vols.; Pittsburgh, Pa., 1973–99) description ends , 9: 583–97. The reference to Gouverneur Morris’s returning to his “Mammy” alludes to earlier attacks against him when he sought permission to visit his ailing mother in New York City. See JJSP, 2 description begins Elizabeth M. Nuxoll et al., eds., The Selected Papers of John Jay, Volume 2, 1780–82 (Charlottesville, Va., 2012) description ends : 479. Gouverneur Morris remained in Pennsylvania after leaving the office of Finance rather than returning to New York.

5Probably one of several well-illustrated editions of an English translation of a French work originally published in 1732: Spectacle de la Nature: or Nature Delineated, being Philosophical Conversations wherein the wonderful Works of Providence, in the Animal, Vegetable and Mineral Creation are laid open, the Solar and Planetary Systems, and whatever is Curious in Mathematicks explained . . ., by Noël Antoine Pluche. Translated from the original French by John Kelly, D. Bellamy, and J. Sparrow.

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