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To James Madison from David Jones, 10 December 1814

From David Jones

Eastown Chester County December 10. 1814.

Dear Sir,

I have now before me,1 a Pamphlet writen by mr Melish with his remarks on Sine Qua non.2 He has done the subject Justice. I shall publish my Sentiments on the same subject in the aurora under the Signature of the old Soldier.3

My opinion about Indians, may fail of your approbation, yet I am Sure I am right. I have writen on the Subject more than 30 years, I fear with very little Success, as the publick then cared little about it. Sed tempora mutantur.4 Part of my object in writing to you now is get your opinion on the republishing the encloased Pamphlet.5 I think the best Performance, which I have seen, on the subject. I have seen a memorial relative to this Subject has been presented to Congress.6 To them who are conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms on any occation, this pamphlet is a compleat Directory. Let it be reprinted & send some Copies to them, would be the best reply.

Mr Hayes is a man of Singular Talents, & to his Influence in vermont, we may ascribe the great Change in Politicks. Chittington7 feels himself Little in the Hands of Hay⟨n⟩es. If I am not able to go to the Lakes next Campaign, I wish him to succeed, & at all events, I wish that he may be appointed, for he is an excellent Preacher, & is a true Patriot. You have appointed one in that District, whom general Brown will not permitt to pretend to preach, he was Sent last Spring to washington to let you know his Services were not wanted.8 You will be so good as to inform of your opinion of Mr Haynes Sermon, & let me know how many Copies may be sent to you, the Price cannot exceed 25 Cts. I have written to the Secretary of war my opinion of a national Bank, & emitting continental money.9 I give the preference to Money, and none will rufuse it but the british Party, & other Enemies of our Cause & Country. Let the money be funded on Taxes, & back lands, with a Sinking fund. Let this money be received for all kind of Tax, & for the payment of back Land. Let all officers of governme[n]t receive it, & I will warrant the army receive it, I have consulted them already.

This is a Subject, which I have introduced in all Companies in which I find men of political knowledge, & I find they agree with me. Last war our continental money depreciated. It was impossible to be otherways, for we had neither Tax or back lands to fund the money; but if Bank is established, I shall acquiese for Something must be done immediately, or we shall come to a full Stand. The report of the Committee must be embraced with only a few observations;10 for if you was to follow the british Party in answereing long Speeches, the villains would gain their object, which is to gain Time till the british can be reinforced, & we will be unprepared as last year, they by inedative Speeches cost us 20 000d Dollars, for doing worse than nothing. After a few observations, let the Question be taken & decided, & in 9 Days the Law will pass, and our publick affairs will go on rapidly. Every other Plan has failed. Now, or Never, we are come to that State that nothing but energy will prevent a revolution. I am Sorry to see so little prescience in Congress, a man with half an Eye may see the Design of the British Faction. They wish to prevent Business, that the enemy may find us unprepared, & finally bring us back to be british Colonies. How long we are to bear with such Treasonable Conduct, I know not, but I see where it must end.

You must pardon me for calling your attention to the Lakes. I shall only give you hints. 15 row gallies must be built this winter at Sackets harbour, to be ready early in the Spring. Each gally must carry two 18 pounders, & 32 oars with a Suitable number of Riflemen & Pikes sufficient if attacked by the Enemy to defend themselves compleatly. On each, there must be a good fornace to heat red hot shot, double headed shot, landgrage11 & round Shot. As soon as the battle begins, the gallies must row up to the wind[w]ard, & bare down on the Scare Crow, the big Ship, and while she is engaged with our Ships, fire briskly into her rigging, & into her hull.12 In 15 minutes all will be a Conflagration. To effect this, the fleet must be commanded by one of the best officers in our Service, Such as Ducature, & must have the best officers under him, & with the good hand of god there is no Danger.13 When we command ontario, all is our own, canada is gone, & the british will sue for Peace without a Sine Qua non.

If this measure is not adopted, or something like it, the next Campain will fail us, as in Time past for want of Suitable men & measures. I wish 15 000d men to be at Sackets harbour ready to sail as soon as St Lawrence is clear of ice. On their way towards ogdensburg, where there must14 10 000d to meet them. It is reported 5 miles above ogdensburg is the best place to cross. Prescot can make but feeble resistence. Having crossed, we shall Stop all communications from Lower Canada, & kingstown will soon capitulate for want of both men & provisions, for upper Canada can hardly support themselves.15 By next June the british may be subdued in upper Canada. You know this used to be my limits, but I doubt, we must expel them altogether, or we shall have no peace. The Enemy report at montreal that we have laid down two 74s at Sackets harbour, if this be so, you know it. I prefer to all other vessels, gallies well prepared & well mannaged.16 Crossing with near 30 000d men will soon decide the state of the british in america, but be careful how you conclude a peace, for if you allow the british to have a Cannoe on the Lakes, we Shall soon have war, & ten times a greater evil will take Place, I mean the union will be necessarily dissolved, for if we know not how to Secure the western Interest, they will Petion for a Division. I tell you this, not as a gess. I wish you always to be ready to make peace on honorable Terms but Perhaps the Cou[n]try will be of a different mind on the Subject. The Country will never agree to some Parts of your Instructions to the Commissioners.17 I think you must have been a little intimidated. All we want is money, & money we must have. It is not proposed to make it a Tender. Bank notes are no tender & common consent has made them pass. And is there not the greatest reasson to beleive that common Consent will Sanction continental money much better secured than any Bank in the union? Indeed there was never a nation in a more critical Situation than18 are in at present, & some great effort must be made. I Question if any will refuse it, but the british Party, & we are sure they will for they cuning Enemies & they will see, if we have money the hopes of the british will End. We ought therefore to have a Section that will induce them to receive it, and that is, if any refuse it to pay a Debt, such Person shall receive no Interest to the End of the war, then he shall receive the Principal & no Interest. This is a Small Sacrifice for them to make who ought not to be suffered to live in the Land.

I have red the Communications between our Commissioners & the british Jockies. I am astonished you have not recalled them long ago. It was consummate Impudence for these Jockies to call our Indians their allies. This tacitly acknowledges, that in Time of Peace, they have been tampering with them to corrupt them, & alienate their ⟨minds?⟩. And after all their bribes, how many have they got by corruption to Join? Not the tenth part of the Tribes under our Dominions.19 I see when France ceded the Canadas to england no mention is made of Indians. When England ceded all that the French ceded to them, to the united States not one word is Said about Indians. They were left to our Mercy to expel them, or kill them as we pleased.20 The whole Subject about Indians shall be investigated & published as soon as I can. The first number is ready & the others shall follow. I suppose your patience is exhausted, & it may be you may think, I have been rather precipitant. The time calls for every man to speak his mind. May the god of heaven give you wisdom in this Singular Time to discharge your Duty. With much Esteem I am

David Jones
Chaplain 9th District

N.B. I am so much engaged that I could not Copy this I hope you can read it.

RC (DLC: Rives Collection, Madison Papers); FC (NRAB). FC bears Jones’s note: “The Substance of a letter sent to James Maddson Dated Decem 10. 1814.” The copies vary extensively in content and phrasing; for significant content included in FC but not in RC, see nn. 1, 8, 13–15, 17–18.

1This sentence is preceded in the FC by: “Since I returned home I have visted the Pennsylvania Camps of voluntiers & militia; their improvement is beyond expectation. They are now, in many respects, equal to regulars. They have returned to Philadelphia & some are discharged.”

3On 2 and 11 Jan. 1815, the Philadelphia Aurora General Advertiser published essays signed “The Old Soldier.” Written in Jones’s usual rambling style, they discussed war finance, railed against “British hirelings” in the current Congress, accused Great Britain of inciting Indian atrocities against American settlers both before and after the Revolutionary War, contended that the Jay Treaty’s provision allowing British trade with the Indians had been ill-advised and that the U.S. seizure of Upper Canada was therefore justified as a measure to prevent such interaction, and depicted the British dealings in Ghent as a ploy to buy time before launching an invigorated campaign against the United States in the spring.

4Sed tempora mutantur: but times change.

5Jones probably enclosed a copy of Sylvanus Haynes’s Sermon, Delivered by Special Request, to the Military Department in Middletown, Vermont, on May 10, 1814 (Rutland, Vt., 1814; Shaw and Shoemaker description begins R. R. Shaw and R. H. Shoemaker, comps., American Bibliography: A Preliminary Checklist for 1801–1819 (22 vols.; New York, 1958–66). description ends 31679), which made biblically-based and other arguments supporting the War of 1812 and urged soldiers to do their duty.

6Jones evidently referred to a petition presented on 11 Nov. 1814 in the House of Representatives by Joseph Lewis Jr., from “sundry inhabitants of the counties of Augusta, Rockingham, Shenandoah and Frederick, in the state of Virginia, who profess themselves to be of that class of citizens called Ancient German Baptists, Tunkards and Menonists, and are conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms, praying to be protected in the full enjoyment of their religious liberties, and liberty of conscience according to their faith” (Journal of the House of Representatives of the United States, at the Third Session of the Thirteenth Congress … [Washington, 1814 (1815); Shaw and Shoemaker description begins R. R. Shaw and R. H. Shoemaker, comps., American Bibliography: A Preliminary Checklist for 1801–1819 (22 vols.; New York, 1958–66). description ends 36273], 178). Jones may have read about the petition in the Philadelphia Poulson’s American Daily Advertiser of 15 Nov. 1814.

7Jones referred to Vermont governor Martin Chittenden.

8In the FC, the preceding two sentences are replaced by the following: “as Booge will not be permitted to preach I think mr Haynes should be appointed; and if I am not able to go another Campaign, I would recommend him to take my place. General Brown will not permit Booge to officiate where he commands. Booge’s Character is such, being excluded from the presbeterian Socienty, he can be of no Service in the army.”

9Jones to James Monroe, 2 Dec. 1814 (NRAB); dated 2 Dec. 1812 in Preston, Catalogue of the Correspondence and Papers of James Monroe, description begins Daniel Preston, A Comprehensive Catalogue of the Correspondence and Papers of James Monroe (2 vols.; Westport, Conn., 2001). description ends 1:295.

10Jones evidently referred to the bill for a national bank reported in the Senate on 2 Dec. 1814, after the House of Representatives had debated at length and failed to pass legislation for the same purpose. The Senate approved its own bill on 9 Dec. 1814 (Annals of Congress, description begins Debates and Proceedings in the Congress of the United States … (42 vols.; Washington, 1834–56). description ends 13th Cong., 3d sess., 118–19, 126–27, 560–618, 620–22, 626–35, 639, 642–44, 651–86).

11Langrage: “case-shot loaded with pieces of iron of irregular shape, formerly used in naval warfare to damage the rigging and sails of the enemy” (OED Online description begins Oxford English Dictionary, www.oed.com. description ends ).

12Jones presumably referred to the 112-gun British ship of the line Saint Lawrence (see William Jones to JM, 26 Oct. 1814, and n. 2).

13FC has: “you must have a Commander, Equal to the Task, which I fear the present one is not. Perhaps he may answer for second in Command.”

14Jones evidently omitted the word “be” here.

15FC adds here: “I mean that the fleet should sail as they did before, & have the battle by the way.”

16FC adds here: “in my Plan, I expect to gain the ascendency on lake ontario & pass down with ⟨1⟩5 thousand, & Join the other Troops above ogdensburg.”

17For the instructions, see JM to Congress, 13 Oct. 1814, n. 1.

18Jones evidently omitted the word “we” here.

19FC adds here: “the great body of the Tribes are on our Side, & deserve our notice; and as we have always treated them humainly, we can do our own business without their aid. Their offered service Stinks. What would they say if we were to tell them, that in the murder of the millions of Chinees, they have shown their inhumanity, we therfore dare not trust the Indians in their hands, we must insist that they shall be our allies? I am Now writing on that Subject, I venter these Jockies will not be highly pleased with my Performance.”

20FC adds here: “and by the Influence of the british, they raised war, we Conquered them, & Notwistanding the british [illegible] themselves & assisted them, we Conquered them near the rapids of the miammi of the Lake, and poor Retched they were very willing to make peace as Conquered people by this we gained all the Country as a Conquered people. If they any right before, all was given up at Greenville.”

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