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Notes on Federalist Arguments in Congressional Debates, [after 3 August 1798]

Notes on Federalist Arguments in Congressional Debates

[after 3 Aug. 1798]

Principles.Dayton naval armamt. Apr. 19. 98.Otis contra.Sedgwick. & Stockton. on same bill. the legislature may raise armies, but cannot prescribe the purposes for which they shall be used. the army being raised the constn transfers the use of them to The President, which is paramount to any law limiting the use.

Stockton. on Tazew’s amdmt to Reed’s judiciary bill. about Apr. 20. 98. the legislature may erect offices. but they cannot restrain the appmt of the officers to any qualification of persons; for this would be to restrain a power given by the constn to the Presidt. without restraint.

deb. on Intercourse bill.     98. the constn authorises the P. to appoint foreign ministers. the legislature cannot refuse giving money for them without breech of a moral oblign.

if a law raises an army for a long term of years, tho’ the constn forbids an approprian for them for more than 2. years, yet they cannot refuse to renew it every 2. years without breech of a moral obligation.

deb. on British treaty. the constn gives the P. & S1 a power to make treaties. if in these they give subsidies, or money for other purposes, the Legislature cannot refuse the money without a breech of moral oblign.

the constn2 leaves the raising armies to the discretion of Congress. therefore Congress may leave it to the discretion of the President. [so argued by3 Ross Reid, Sedgwick, Stockdon &c. in the Senate on the Provisional army and by Otis Dana, Sewall, Harper, Rutledge, Craik &c. in the debate on the same bill Apr. 244 and by mr Pinckney in the debate on the bill for the Provisional army May. 10. 98.]
the constn leaves the levying taxes to the discretion of Congress. therefore Congress may leave it to the discretion of the President. [Harper in the same debate]
the Constn leaves the power of legislation to Congress. therefore Congress may leave it to the President. [necessary consequence from the premisses.]

if the President informs Congress that in his opn there is imminent danger of invasion, Congress are bound to act in conformity to it, without examining the grounds of the opinion. said by Otis. see Gallatin’s speech on the Provisional army May 10. 98.

juries see Bayard’s speech against juries & the superior advantages of a trial by the court. Aurora. Aug. 2.

MS (DLC: TJ Papers, 104:17916); entirely in TJ’s hand, including brackets within body of text; likely composed in multiple sittings, perhaps beginning as early as the latter part of April 1798, the final paragraph being written after the Aurora of 3 Aug. came to TJ’s attention (see below).

On 19 Apr. 1798, in debate in the House of Representatives on the bill for “additional armament for the further protection of the trade,” Speaker Dayton said that when circumstances required augmentation of the armed forces it was “the duty of Congress to establish and provide for it, but that here their powers ceased.” It exceeded the “proper province” of Congress, according to Dayton, “to declare who shall be authorized and empowered to employ and direct such force, and more especially the manner in which it shall be employed.” However, later that day Harrison Gray OTIS declared that although the president might employ armed vessels in convoys, “yet it does not follow that the Legislature shall not point out the particular manner in which they shall be employed, and under what restrictions convoys shall or shall not be granted. The President is Commander-in-Chief of the Army, and of the Militia when called out, but Congress might, nevertheless, direct the use of them.” Comments by Sedgwick and Stockton when the Senate discussed that bill four days later, like the remarks of other senators referred to by TJ in the document above, were not recorded (Annals description begins Annals of the Congress of the United States: The Debates and Proceedings in the Congress of the United StatesCompiled from Authentic Materials, Washington, D.C., Gales & Seaton, 1834–56, 42 vols. All editions are undependable and pagination varies from one printing to another. The first two volumes of the set cited here have “Compiled … by Joseph Gales, Senior” on the title page and bear the caption “Gales & Seatons History” on verso and “of Debates in Congress” on recto pages. The remaining volumes bear the caption “History of Congress” on both recto and verso pages. Those using the first two volumes with the latter caption will need to employ the date of the debate or the indexes of debates and speakers. description ends , 7:545–6; 8:1454,1460).

The Senate considered two judiciary bills in April. A committee chaired by Jacob Read had reported one of the measures in response to a December 1797 motion calling for revision of the judicial system. On 25 Apr. the Senate postponed further debate on that bill to the next session of Congress. Another bill, supplemental to the existing judiciary act and introduced by John Laurance, had been similarly postponed on the 20th (Annals description begins Annals of the Congress of the United States: The Debates and Proceedings in the Congress of the United StatesCompiled from Authentic Materials, Washington, D.C., Gales & Seaton, 1834–56, 42 vols. All editions are undependable and pagination varies from one printing to another. The first two volumes of the set cited here have “Compiled … by Joseph Gales, Senior” on the title page and bear the caption “Gales & Seatons History” on verso and “of Debates in Congress” on recto pages. The remaining volumes bear the caption “History of Congress” on both recto and verso pages. Those using the first two volumes with the latter caption will need to employ the date of the debate or the indexes of debates and speakers. description ends , 7:478, 480, 518, 526, 527, 543, 545, 548). For the intercourse bill, see TJ to Madison, 24 Jan. 1798. In April 1796, responding to attempts in the House to block the appropriations necessary for the Jay treaty, Fisher Ames took the lead in propounding the theme that “a Treaty imposes an obligation on the American nation” (Annals description begins Annals of the Congress of the United States: The Debates and Proceedings in the Congress of the United StatesCompiled from Authentic Materials, Washington, D.C., Gales & Seaton, 1834–56, 42 vols. All editions are undependable and pagination varies from one printing to another. The first two volumes of the set cited here have “Compiled … by Joseph Gales, Senior” on the title page and bear the caption “Gales & Seatons History” on verso and “of Debates in Congress” on recto pages. The remaining volumes bear the caption “History of Congress” on both recto and verso pages. Those using the first two volumes with the latter caption will need to employ the date of the debate or the indexes of debates and speakers. description ends , 5:1253; Perkins, First Rapprochement description begins Bradford Perkins, The First Rapprochement: England and the United States, 1795–1805, Philadelphia, 1955; Berkeley, 1967 description ends , 38–42).

In debates over the provisional army bill on 24 Apr. and 10 May, Otis and the other congressmen named by TJ above resisted Gallatin’s contention that the measure was unconstitutional and bestowed too much authority on the president. Gallatin asserted that “if Congress were once to admit the principle that they have a right to vest in the President powers placed in their hands by the Constitution, that instrument would become a piece of blank paper,” and he inquired: “if they could delegate the power of raising an army to the President, why not do the same with respect to the power of raising taxes?” In response, Robert Goodloe Harper “had no hesitation in saying, that he believed this might be done,” suggesting that the president could be authorized to collect a tax at his discretion. On 8 May, declaring that any member of Congress “must in some measure depend upon the President for his information,” Otis thought that it would be irresponsible to oppose the raising of an army “if it was the opinion of the President that the country was in imminent danger of being invaded” (Annals description begins Annals of the Congress of the United States: The Debates and Proceedings in the Congress of the United StatesCompiled from Authentic Materials, Washington, D.C., Gales & Seaton, 1834–56, 42 vols. All editions are undependable and pagination varies from one printing to another. The first two volumes of the set cited here have “Compiled … by Joseph Gales, Senior” on the title page and bear the caption “Gales & Seatons History” on verso and “of Debates in Congress” on recto pages. The remaining volumes bear the caption “History of Congress” on both recto and verso pages. Those using the first two volumes with the latter caption will need to employ the date of the debate or the indexes of debates and speakers. description ends , 8:1526–31, 1534–5, 1641–2, 1657, 1659–64).

James A. Bayard’s remarks in the House of Representatives on 9 July appeared in the Aurora on 3 Aug. 1798, the newspaper having obtained them the day before. Debating a proposal to give juries the power to determine law as well as fact in cases of libel, Bayard declared it “utterly impossible … that unlettered men can be competent to decide justly as to questions of law.” According to the Delaware congressman, “a power of this kind is much more safely lodged in the hands of learned and upright Judges, than it could possibly be in those of an unlettered and perhaps prejudiced jury” (Annals description begins Annals of the Congress of the United States: The Debates and Proceedings in the Congress of the United StatesCompiled from Authentic Materials, Washington, D.C., Gales & Seaton, 1834–56, 42 vols. All editions are undependable and pagination varies from one printing to another. The first two volumes of the set cited here have “Compiled … by Joseph Gales, Senior” on the title page and bear the caption “Gales & Seatons History” on verso and “of Debates in Congress” on recto pages. The remaining volumes bear the caption “History of Congress” on both recto and verso pages. Those using the first two volumes with the latter caption will need to employ the date of the debate or the indexes of debates and speakers. description ends , 8:2136).

1Ampersand and “S” interlined.

2TJ here canceled “gives.”

3TJ here canceled “all the m.”

4Remainder of bracketed passage interlined.

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