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List of Batture-Related Papers Requested from Wiliam C. C. Claiborne, [ca. 1 August 1810]

List of Batture-Related Papers Requested from William C. C. Claiborne

[ca. 1 Aug. 1810]

Wanting in the case of the batture. (copy delivd to Govr Claiborne)1

Edict of 1664. granting to the West India company the islands & terra firma of America & other countries. cited by mr Derbigny pa. 26.

Ordonnance des eaux et forets de 1669. Louis2 XIV

Charter of Louis XV. à la Compagnie d’Occident. 1717. cited by Du Ponceau 25. who quotes Valin I. 408.

Copies of such deeds of Bertrand Gravier as extended to the river, face au fleuve. and information as to such as did not go to the river, if any.

Resolution of the two houses of legislature of Orleans of 1808. thanks to the President.

Du Jareau’s letter to the Mayor of Aug. 13. 08.

do of Aug. 24. 08. published in the Telegraphe of Sep. 22.

these letters explain the dangers of N.O. if Livingston’s works are effected

 

2. copies of the following publications for the use of counsel if to be had in [N.O.?]

Pieces Probantes.

Report of the case of J. Gravier v. the Mayor Etc 50. pages 8vo

Derbigny’s 1st opinion. English. in XXIX pages 8vo

Livingston’s Examination of the title of the US. 68. pages 8vo

  Duponceau’s opinion } these have all been put into a single publication of LXXV. and 15. pages 8vo
Livingston’s case for counsel & 13. queries.
Ingersol & Rawle’s opinions.
Tilghman & Lewis’s opinions.
the Correspondence

Derbigny’s refutation of Duponceau

Poydras’s Speeches of Feb. 2. & Mar. 14. 1810. his Defence of the right Etc & Further3 observations of Dec. 14. 06.

Examen de la Sentence. 23. pages 4to Fr. & Eng.

Thiery’s Examination of the claim of the US. English

MS (DLC: TJ Papers, 191:34075); entirely in TJ’s hand; conjecturally dated based on TJ to George Hay, 1 Aug. 1810; one abbreviation faint.

TJ probably prepared this list of materials he wanted to use in his legal contest with Edward Livingston over the Batture Sainte Marie at New Orleans during a visit Claiborne made to Monticello about the beginning of August 1810. Claiborne transmitted it to New Orleans mayor James Mather, who sent TJ many of the requested items on 30 Nov. 1810.

mr derbigny pa. 26 refers to Pierre Derbigny, Réfutation du Mémoire en forme de consultation, Rédigé par Mr. Duponceau, Jurisconsulte a Philadelphie, au sujet des pretentions des Etats-Unis sur la Batture du Faubourg Ste.-Marie de la Nouvelle-Orleans (New Orleans, 1808; Sowerby, description begins E. Millicent Sowerby, comp., Catalogue of the Library of Thomas Jefferson, 1952–59, 5 vols. description ends no. 3492), 26. ordonnance des eaux et forets de 1669: Regulation of 1669 regarding waters and forests. du ponceau 25 refers to Peter S. Du Ponceau, Mémoire en forme de consultation, en réponse a celle de M. Derbigny, au sujet des prétentions du Gouvernement des États-Unis sur l’alluvion du Fleuve Mississipi, au devant du Faubourg Sainte-Marie, pres la Nouvelle-Orléans (New Orleans, 1808; Sowerby, description begins E. Millicent Sowerby, comp., Catalogue of the Library of Thomas Jefferson, 1952–59, 5 vols. description ends no. 3494), 25, which cites a work by the French author René Josué valin, Nouveau Commentaire sur l’Ordonnance de la Marine du mois d’août 1681 (La Rochelle, 1760). face au fleuve: “fronting the river.” Claiborne had sent TJ a copy of the resolution of the two houses of legislature of orleans on the day of its passage (Claiborne to TJ, 29 Jan. 1808 [DNA: RG 59, LCBNO]). The report of the case of j. gravier, along with derbigny’s 1st opinion. english (Case laid before Counsel for their opinion on the claim to the Batture, situated in front of the Suburb St. Mary) and the succeeding six entries described in the list above were issued without consecutive pagination as part of a single publication, Edward Livingston’s Address to the People of the United States, on the measures pursued by the Executive with respect to the Batture at New-Orleans (New Orleans, 1808; Sowerby, description begins E. Millicent Sowerby, comp., Catalogue of the Library of Thomas Jefferson, 1952–59, 5 vols. description ends no. 3484, 3493, 3495–8, 3502). examen de la sentence: [Louis Moreau Lislet], Examen de la Sentence rendue dans la Cause entre Jean Gravier et la Ville de la Nouvelle-Orléans (New Orleans, 1807; Sowerby, description begins E. Millicent Sowerby, comp., Catalogue of the Library of Thomas Jefferson, 1952–59, 5 vols. description ends no. 3483; authorship attributed to Moreau Lislet by TJ on 1809 Washington ed., Sowerby, description begins E. Millicent Sowerby, comp., Catalogue of the Library of Thomas Jefferson, 1952–59, 5 vols. description ends no. 3490).

Possibly during the same visit to Monticello, Claiborne provided TJ with some brief comments on his statement on the Batture: “page 2—Act of Congress.—page 5—uses of the Batture see also petitions to Congress.—page 16.—The rise of the River, would not perhaps prove as injurious.—page 45—The Act of the Territorial Legislature too much relied on.—page 53. An agent of L. [i.e., Livingston] had actually filed a Claim with the Board of Commissioners.—page 58—Trial by Jury may be waiv’d by Consent of parties” (MS in DLC: TJ Papers, 192:34098; in Claiborne’s hand; undated; with an unrelated list of errata for Batture pamphlet in TJ’s hand on verso).

1Parenthetical phrase evidently added at a later time.

2TJ here canceled “XVI.”

3Preceding eight words interlined in place of “&.”

Index Entries

  • Address to the People of the United States, on the measures pursued by the Executive with respect to the Batture at New-Orleans (Livingston) search
  • An Act to prevent settlements being made on lands ceded to the United States until authorized by law (1807); and batture controversy search
  • Batture Sainte Marie, controversy over; TJ requests documents search
  • Batture Sainte Marie, controversy over; W. C. C. Claiborne on search
  • Case laid before Counsel for their opinion on the claim to the Batture, situated in front of the Suburb St. Mary (Derbigny) search
  • Claiborne, William Charles Coles; consults with TJ on batture case search
  • Claiborne, William Charles Coles; procures batture documents for TJ search
  • Claiborne, William Charles Coles; visits Monticello search
  • Derbigny, Pierre (Peter) Augustin Bourguignon; Case laid before Counsel for their opinion on the claim to the Batture, situated in front of the Suburb St. Mary search
  • Derbigny, Pierre (Peter) Augustin Bourguignon; Réfutation du Mémoire en forme de consultation search
  • Du Jareau, Godefroi; and J. Mather search
  • Du Ponceau, Peter Stephen; Mémoire en forme de consultation search
  • Examen de la Sentence rendue dans la Cause entre Jean Gravier et la Ville de la Nouvelle-Orléans (Moreau Lislet) search
  • Examen des Droits des Etats-Unis et des pretensions de Mr. Edouard Livingston sur la Batture en Face du Faubourg Ste. Marie (Thierry) search
  • Gravier, Bertrand; and batture controversy search
  • Gravier, Jean (John); and batture controversy search
  • Ingersoll, Jared; on batture controversy search
  • Lewis, William (of Philadelphia); and batture controversy search
  • Livingston, Edward; Address to the People of the United States, on the measures pursued by the Executive with respect to the Batture at New-Orleans search
  • Louis XIV, king of France; and ordinance of1669 search
  • Louis XV, king of France; charters Company of the West search
  • Mather, James; and batture controversy search
  • Mather, James; and G. Du Jareau search
  • Mémoire en forme de consultation (Du Ponceau) search
  • Monticello (TJ’s estate); Visitors to; Claiborne, William C. C. search
  • Moreau Lislet, Louis; Examen de la Sentence rendue dans la Cause entre Jean Gravier et la Ville de la Nouvelle-Orléans search
  • Moreau Lislet, Louis; on batture controversy search
  • New Orleans; Telegraphe et le General Advertiser search
  • newspapers; New Orleans Telegraphe et le General Advertiser search
  • Nouveau Commentaire sur l’Ordonnance de la Marine (Valin) search
  • Orleans Territory; legislature of search
  • Pieces Probantes search
  • Poydras, Julien Lalande; and batture controversy search
  • Poydras, Julien Lalande; Speech of Julien Poydras, Esq. the Delegate of the Territory of Orleans, in support of the right of the public to the Batture search
  • Rawle, William search
  • Réfutation du Mémoire en forme de consultation (Derbigny) search
  • Speech of Julien Poydras, Esq. the Delegate of the Territory of Orleans, in support of the right of the public to the Batture (Poydras) search
  • Telegraphe et le General Advertiser (New Orleans newspaper) search
  • Thierry, Jean Baptiste Simon; Examen des Droits des Etats-Unis et des pretensions de Mr. Edouard Livingston sur la Batture en Face du Faubourg Ste. Marie search
  • Tilghman, Edward; and batture controversy search
  • Valin, René Josué; Nouveau Commentaire sur l’Ordonnance de la Marine search