John Jay Papers
Documents filtered by: Author="Jefferson, Thomas" AND Recipient="Jay, John" AND Period="Confederation Period"
sorted by: editorial placement
Permanent link for this document:
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jay/01-05-02-0073

To John Jay from Thomas Jefferson, 12 March 1789

From Thomas Jefferson

Paris Mar. 12. 1789.

Sir

I had the honour of addressing you on the 1st. instant through the post. I write the present incertain whether mr Nesbitt, the bearer of your last, will be the bearer of this, or whether it may not have to wait some other private occasion. they have re-established their packet-boats here indeed; but they are to go from Bordeaux, which being between four & five hundred miles from hence, is too far to send a courier with my letters but on the most extraordinary occasions: and without a courier, they must pass through the post office. I shall therefore not make use of this mode of conveyance, but prefer sending my letters by a private hand by the way of London. the incertainty of finding private conveiances to London is the principal objection to this.

On the receipt of your letter advising me to purchase the two volumes of Deane’s letters & accounts, I wrote to the person who had them, & after some offers & refusals he let me have them for 25 Louis ^instead of 120 Louis asked at first.^ he told me that Deane had still 6. or 8. volumes more and that when he should return to London, he would try to get them, in order to make himself whole for the money he had lent Deane. as I knew he would endeavor to make us pay dear for them, and it appeared to be your opinion & that of the members you had consulted, that it was an object worthy attention, I wrote immediately to a friend in London to endeavor to purchase them from Deane himself whose distresses and crapulous habits will probably render him more easy to deal with. I authorized him to go as far as fifty guineas. I have as yet no answer from him.1

I inclose you a letter which I wrote last month to our bankers in Holland. as it will itself explain the cause of it’s being written I shall not repeat it’s substance here. in answer to my proposition to answer ^pay^ bills for the medals and the redemption of our captives they quote a resolution of Congress (which however I do not find in the. printed journals) appropriating the loans of 1787. & 1788. to the paiment of interest on the [former?] Dutch loans till 1790 inclusive, and the residue to salaries & contingencies in Europe, and they argue that, according to this, they are not to pay any thing in Europe till they shall first have enough to pay all the interest which will become due to the end of the year 1790: and that it is out of personal regard that they relax from this so far as to pay diplomatic salaries. so that here is a clear declaration they will answer no other demands till they have in hand money enough for all the interest to the end of the year 1790. it is but a twelvemonth since I have had occasion to pay attention to the proceedings of those gentlemen. but during that time I have observed that as soon as a sum of interest is becoming due they are able to borrow just that, and no more or at least only so much more as may pay our salaries & keep us quiet. were they not to borrow for the interest, the failure to pay that would sink the value of the capital, of which they are considerable sharers. so far their interests and ours concur. but there perhaps they may separate. I think it possible they may chuse to support our credit to a certain point & let it go no further but at their will; to keep it so poised as that it may be at their mercy. by this they will be sure to keep us in their own hands. they write word to the Treasury that in order to raise money for the February interest they were obliged to agree with the subscribers that Congress should open no other loan at Amsterdam this year till this one be filled up, and that this shall not be filled but by the present subscribers, and they not obliged to fill it. this is delivering us bound hand & foot to the subscribers, that is to themselves. finding that they would not raise money for any other purposes without being pushed, I wrote the letter I inclose you. they answer ^as I have stated^ by a refusal to pay, alledging the appropriation of Congress. I have written again to press them further, & to propose to them the paiment of 30,000 florins only for the case of our captives, as I am in hopes this may do.2— in the close of my letter to them you will observe I refer them, as to the article of foreign officers, to the board of Treasury. I had in truth received the printed journals a few days before, but had not yet had time to read them carefully, and particularly had not then noted the vote of Congress of Aug. 20. directing me to attend to that article. I shall not fail to do what I can in it. but I am afraid they will consider this also as standing on the same ground with the other contingent articles.3

This country being generally engaged in it’s elections, affords nothing new & worthy of communication. the hopes of accomodation between Turkey & the two empires do not gain strength. the war between Russia & Denmark on the one hand & Sweden on the other is likely also to go on, the mediation of England being rendered of little force by the accident to it’s executive. the progress of this war, and also of the broils in Poland, may possibly draw the king of Prussia into it during the ensuing campaign: and it must, before it be finished, take in this country, and perhaps England. the ill humor on account of the Dutch revolution continues to rankle here. they have recalled their Ambassador from the Hague, manifestly to shew their dissatisfaction with that court, and some very dry memorials have lately been exchanged on the subject of the money this country assumed to pay the Emperor for the Dutch. I send you very full extracts of these, which will shew you the dispositions of the two courts towards each other. whether & when this country will be able to take an active part, will depend on the issue of their states general. if they fund their public debts judiciously, and will provide further funds for a war, on the English plan, I believe they will be able to borrow any sums they please. in the mean time, the situation of England will leave them at leisure to settle their internal affairs well. That ministry indeed pretend their king is perfectly reestablished. no doubt they will make the most of his amendment which is real to a certain degree. but as, under pretence of this they have got rid of the daily certificate of the physicians, & they are possessed of the king’s person, the public must judge hereafter from such facts only as they can catch. there are several at present which, put together, induce a presumption the king is only better, not well. and should he be well, time will be necessary to give a confidence that it is not merely a lucid interval. on the whole I think we may conclude that that country will not take a part in the war this year, which was by no means certain before.

M. del Pinto formerly Minister of Portugal at London, and the same who negotiated the treaty with us, being now put at the head of the ministry of that country, I presume that negociation may be renewed succesfully, if it be the desire of our government. perhaps an admission of our flour into their ports may be obtained now, as M. del Pinto seemed impressed with our reasoning on that subject & promised to press it on his court, tho he could not then venture to put it into the treaty. there is not the same reason to hope any relaxation as to our reception in Bresil, because he would scarcely let us mention that at all. I think myself it is their interest to take away all temptations to our co-operation in the emancipation of their colonies, and I know no means of doing this but the making it our interest that they should continue dependant, nor any other way of ^making this our^ interest, but by allowing us a commerce with them. however this is a mode of reasoning which their ministry probably could not bear to listen to.4

I send herewith the gazettes of France & Leyden, and have the honor to be, Sir, Your most obedient & most humble servant

Th: Jefferson

Honble mr Jay

ALS, DNA: PCC, item 87, 2: 450–55; PrC, DLC: Jefferson (EJ: 10192). Enclosures: 1. TJ to Willink & Van Staphorst, 22 Feb. 1789, PTJ description begins Julian T. Boyd, Charles T. Cullen et al., eds., The Papers of Thomas Jefferson (42 vols. to date; Princeton, N.J., 1950–) description ends , 14: 586. 2. Summaries, in French, of memorials exchanged between Lestevenon de Berkenrode, the Dutch ambassador to France, and Montmorin (C, DNA: PCC, item 87, 2: 462–65; PrC, DLC: Jefferson).

1On TJ’s acquisition of papers of Silas Deane from one Foulloy, see TJ to JJ, 3 Aug. 1788, and notes, above. For Edward Bancroft’s account of the theft of Deane’s papers and his assurance that no other significant papers remained in Deane’s hands, see his letter to TJ of 10 Mar. and TJ’s reply of 15 Mar. 1788, PTJ description begins Julian T. Boyd, Charles T. Cullen et al., eds., The Papers of Thomas Jefferson (42 vols. to date; Princeton, N.J., 1950–) description ends , 14: 629–32, 657. TJ wrote JJ on 15 Mar. 1789 to report Deane had no additional letter books. PrC, DLC: Jefferson (EJ: 10194); PTJ description begins Julian T. Boyd, Charles T. Cullen et al., eds., The Papers of Thomas Jefferson (42 vols. to date; Princeton, N.J., 1950–) description ends , 14, 658. For skepticism over the accuracy of Bancroft’s account, see Boyd, “Silas Deane,” description begins Julian P. Boyd, “Silas Deane: Death by a Kindly Teacher of Treason,” WMQ 16, no. 2 (Apr. 1959), 165–87; no. 3 (July 1959), 319–42; no. 4 (Oct. 1959), 515–50 description ends 515–28.

2On the American captives held by the Barbary States, see the editorial note “The Barbary States: A Problem with No Ready Solution,” JJSP description begins Elizabeth M. Nuxoll et al., eds., The Selected Papers of John Jay (4 vols. to date; Charlottesville, Va., 2010–) description ends , 4: 201–6.

3The memorials exchanged between Berkenrode and Montmorin were on the subject of the assumption of the 4,500,000 florin debt owed by the United Provinces to Austria (C, with translation by John Pintard, DNA: PCC, No. 87, 2: 462–68; printed DC description begins William A. Weaver, ed., Diplomatic Correspondence of the United States of America, from the Signing of the Definitive Treaty of Peace, 10th September, 1783, to the Adoption of the Constitution, March 4, 1789 (7 vols.; Washington, D.C., 1833–34) description ends , 2: 279–82; PrC, DLC: Jefferson).

4On the negotiations with Portugal, see the editorial note “Portuguese-American Diplomacy,” JJSP description begins Elizabeth M. Nuxoll et al., eds., The Selected Papers of John Jay (4 vols. to date; Charlottesville, Va., 2010–) description ends , 4: 220–22.

Index Entries