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From John Jay to William Carmichael, 27 June 1780

To William Carmichael

Madrid, 267 [June 1780]

Dr. Sir

It is with great Reluctance that I can ^ever^ prevail upon myself to tell you that what ^any thing^ you do is not right ^in my Opinion im^proper, and especially when my tellg you so may possibly be attributed as much ^is capable of being imputed^ to my Pride as to my ^well as to^ Prudence

The Count de Montmorin informed me Yesterday that you had consulted him on the Subject of a Conference you proposed to have with the Spanish Minister relative to Mr. Cumberland Errand and he recapitulated the Advice he had given you relative on that Head

As I consider the exclusive Direction ^Condu^ ^Affairs^ of the Am. Legation at this Court to be committed to my exclusive Direction, and consequently that I alone am responsible for the Manner in wh. they may be conducted, I cannot ap consent ^must object^ to your taking any measures respecting them but such as I shall ^may^ previously have approved of and assigned to your Management.

Nor can I consider your ^I also think it wd. no Advantage can result from your^ having communicated to the the Chevalier DBurgoyne ^the Count Secretary the Chev. DBurgoyne^1 all the Intelligence you had relative to Mr. Cumberland & his maneuvers as well as the Channels thro which it was acquired ^obtained^— To obtain ^assist in gaing^ Intelligence is doubtless is doubtless within your Province ^as well as Duty^ but the Use to be made of such as may concern ^affect^ the Business ^& Objects^ of the Legation I conceive to belong solely to mine—Besides It wd. I know ^doubtless^ be red ridiculous to appear ignorant of what every Body knows, but it is not necessary nor ^[in margin] always [wise] ^^useful^^ to communicate what others do not know, & particularly the Means of acquiring itthis Kn ones knowledge^

I am a little suspicious that we entertain different Ideas as to the Extent of your Appointment— From your ^havg^ urging your Commission of Charge Des Affairs as a Reason as a Reason why you shd. countersign my Letters ^and from some other Circumstances^ I apprehend that you view it as being now in For some Degree in Force, and perhaps that my temporary absences from the Habitations ^Seats^ of the King may in Virtue of that Commission devolve upon you ^on such occasions^ farther Powers than those annexed to your Office as Secretary.—on the other Hand I ^cannot^ look upon that Commission as contingent ^in any other Light than as^ eventual and to take Effect only on my ^the^ Death or absence from Spain ^of the Am. Minister here,^and that the only Powers you are now vested with are ^at present^ ^confined to^ are those which originate in your office ^appt.^ of Secretary—and that you have been led to take these measures merely from an opinion of their Expediency.2

Perhaps ^perhaps^ these are only Conjectures—perhaps they may be ^are^ groundless. I wish they may be—if they^t^ should not ^be the case^ ^If our Sentiments do really thus vary on these points^ it will be best that they^se points^ shd be explained and all Cause of Variance removed. Perfect Harmony between us is essential to the public Good, and I should regret exceedingly to and adjusted ^the Difference removed^ If you think my Construction of our sev respective Commissions right, ^I hope^ you will then in future forbear to taking any Steps ^in the Business of the Legation^ without the Line of Secretary without previously ^unless with my approbation^ as as to Intelligence ^touchg those Affairs^ you will will continue with your usual Diligence and Address to obtain it, but avoid communicating ^more^ either ^of^ the Matter or the Means of acquiring it ^than may be (unless already public)^ to any Persons except to Congress without my Consent— If indeed you should should chuse to transmit ^it yourself^ to Congress I have not the least Objection— But if on the other Hand you should be of opinion that my Construction of our Commissions does you Injustice— In that Case I must and for the Sake of Harmony as well as to prevent any ^the^ Evils from In ^often resulting^ from interfering Measures I must request the Honor of you to suspend confine yourself to the Duties of Secy until all Doubts can be removed by Congress.

As on the one Hand ^I assure you^ it will always give me Pleasure to be a witness to your Services & to represent them in a true Light to Congress so on the other I flatter myself you will ascribe this Letter to the true Motives and nothing but that^e^ Regard Consideration of public Good and that Consideration of being responsible for ^the Issue^ of Measures not my own, could prompt ^prevail upon^ ^induce^ me to write you this Letter—

I acknowledge with Pleasure your Readiness to ^do^ your Duty, and think ^that^ you deserve Credit for the Attentions & Addresses ^in^ gaining Intelligence.

It would give me Pain to be if the Restrictions I impose upon shd be thought merely arbitrary and not founded on Reason— I am persuaded ^I am persuaded you will not^ think they arise from Caprice when you Reflect.

When you turn your Thoughts I ^seriously on^ these Restrictions I am lay upon you am persuaded you will think them sound reasonable and not merely arbitrary and capricious— I will not therefore pay so ill a Compt. to your your good Sense as to suppose it necessary to assign the several Reasons which enduce me to think them proper indispensible ^requisite^

In a Word my dear Sir it is our Duty to harmonize and to avoid all occasion of Contentions and you have too much Experience not to know that it is.3 I am dr Sir Your most obt. & hble Servt

I have given the Bearer ^the Bearer^ ^the Paper for you^ an american newspaper for you, which I recd. have just recd. from France ^arrived just after you left us^Mr. D Neufville ^A Dutch Mercht^ has made an offer of accepting the Bills drawn on Mr. Laurens, on Terms very generous—I have mentioned this to Count Montmorin.—4 I have seen Count O Dunne,5 I think you wd do well to visit him— He may & indeed has promised to a ^be very useful to our Affairs^ in Portugal which have taken ^By a Letter just recieved from Mr Adams I have just recd.^ I find are ^appear to be^ in a very unpleasant Situation— Dohrman6 havg been ordered to cease attending to them— The Count appears ^seems^ very well disposed, and has promised me to extend his Care to such Americans as may unfortunately be carried to that Kingdom.

As the Court will be here on Saturday, I think you had better not send the Journal I desired you ^to^ keep, by the Bearer but to retain it till you come yourself— There are various Speculations in this City respecting the Objects of ^Mr.^ Cumberlands Mission some ^most people^ suppose he is charged with offers for Peace, and as far as I can judge most People appear ^are^ very glad of it

I had written thus far when a Number of Letters from Am. were delivered to me—we have later news than ^they^ contain—among them was a Letter for you which you will find enclosed with this—The Seals of my Letters have been barbarously toasted— They pass you know through hot Fires in France & in Spain. ^I have recd. your Favr of the 23d. Inst— The Report from Bordeaux you mention had reached us— God Grant it may be confirmed^ I am Dr Sr. your most obt. & hble Servt

The Hon Wm Carmichael Esqr

Dft, NNC (EJ: 7651). Endorsed.

1Jean François, baron de Bourgoing, served as secretary to the French ambassador in Madrid, 1777–85.

2See JJ to Floridablanca, 25 Apr., above; JCC description begins Worthington C. Ford et al., eds., Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774–1789 (34 vols.; Washington, D.C., 1904–37) description ends , 9: 975; 15: 1159–60, 1183; and LDC description begins Paul H. Smith et al., eds., Letters of Delegates to the Continental Congress, 1774–1789 (26 vols.; Washington, D.C., 1976–98) description ends , 14: 56. For earlier criticism of Carmichael, see JJ’s letter to him of 21 Feb., above.

3For Carmichael’s reply, see his letter of 29 June, below.

5Probably James Bernard, comte O’Dunne (1714–94), an Irish-born French diplomat who served as French minister to Portugal, or, less likely, his son Humphrey, a French army officer. Richard Hayes, “Biographical Dictionary of Irishmen in France,” Studies: An Irish Quarterly Review 32 (1943): 104–5.

6Arnold Henry Dohrman, on whom see Lovell to JJ, 11 July, below.

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