1To James Madison from George Joy, 14 November 1811 (Madison Papers)
The Constitution is at length arrived, and Mr: Russell informs me that she is to return to France before she will proceed to America; which will not probably be till some time in the Month of Janry. My Plan of embarking in her is by this means disconcerted; and the detail of Communication, that I was desirous of making personally, delayed. I am now strongly persuaded to defer my departure till...
2To James Madison from George Joy, 9 January 1816 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
§ From George Joy. 9 January 1816, New England Coffee House London. “I have just heard of an opportunity of sending the enclosed Duplicates, by a fast sailing Vessel from Dover. Should both Copies arrive, one will be sufficient to transmit to Mr. Benjn: Joy.” Adds in a postscript: “The 1sts. are in the Nabby: Care of Mr: Gelston.” RC ( DLC : Rives Collection, Madison Papers). 1 p. Docketed on...
3To James Madison from George Joy, 2 February 1822 (Madison Papers)
I purchased, some three years ago, the first volume of the Histoire de l’Esprit revolutionaire des nobles en France, and left an Order with my french Bookseller here to send me the second as soon as it should arrive; intending after perusal to pass them to you. To various enquiries since, I have received various answers—the last of which was that they did not believe it would be published at...
4To James Madison from George Joy, 31 December 1814 (Madison Papers)
It is long since I had the honor of addressing you; much longer since I had that of receiving a Line from you; the last being of the date of Janry 1811. I have very sudden notice of Mr: Carroll’s arrival and Departure; and write this in the Coffee House with him, without any opportunity of referring to or enclosing any papers save the printed section of the Pamphleteer No 8. which, if the...
5To James Madison from George Joy, 5 February 1823 (Madison Papers)
I wrote you on the 30th Ult: to take the first Conveyance from London or Liverpool; and I now find my Letter will go by the Packet of the 8th Inst. from the latter port, for which this may possibly be in time. I ought to have added, as I had here no Copy of my Letter to Captn. Pott, that my Instructions to him were to change the direction of the parcel from his name to yours and either send it...
6To James Madison from George Joy, 12 May 1815 (Madison Papers)
I attended yesterday at the Court of Admiralty rather to hear what could be said than from any doubt of the result of the trial of the Somerset, captured during the war, and recaptured after the period assigned for exemption by the treaty. The Proctor for the Captor, whom I happened to know, assured me that he had not been able to find a case in point; which I did not think it difficult to...
7To James Madison from George Joy, 27 March 1808 (Madison Papers)
The Document called for by Lord Holland and referred to within has not come to my hands, and I believe therefore it is not yet before the Lords. It would be useful in shewing how far the defalcation in Trade is owing to late measures, by distinguishing the falling off in the last quarter of 1807 compared with the corresponding Quarters of 1805 & 6; but this would appear trifling compared with...
8To James Madison from George Joy, 19 February 1815 (Madison Papers)
I wrote you in great haste by Mr: Carroll, and cannot boast of much leisure on the present occasion, which was offered to me late last evening by a Gentleman intending to leave town tomorrow. I doubt if I shall be able to send you the Sequel of my Essays under the Signature of Conciliator having no Copy of the M.S. at hand; and the Editor of the Pamphleteer, who has lately been appointed to a...
9To James Madison from George Joy, 27 June 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
27 June 1809, London. Appointed the American consul in Rotterdam, Joy has not taken his post. He has heard of the difficulties now thrown in the way of travelers trying to reach Holland. Encloses a letter telling of the uncertain status of neutral vessels, including American ships now in the Amsterdam port. Joy has applied for a passport through “the Court of Holland” instead of through Paris,...
10To James Madison from George Joy, 20 June 1812 (Madison Papers)
I have just parted with Lord Sidmouth who after the recognition of a meeting some years ago, and the repetition of the same friendly disposition to the United States and reference to the same constitutional analogies, customs &c which I remember to have communicated to you at the time or since, proceeded to assert his right to be considered a friend of the United States, by adding that he had...
11To James Madison from George Joy, 18 October 1811 (Madison Papers)
The Constitution is now daily expected at Cowes; and by her I hope to embark for the U.S. I am just now advised of a Bag at the N. York Coffee House for Letters to be sent by a fast sailing ship from Liverpool, and send this in the presumption that it may arrive before the Constitution. I am advised of the Condemnation of the Julian, Hercules, Catharine & Atlantic, (carried into Dantzic in May...
12To James Madison from George Joy, 24 May 1808 (Madison Papers)
The case referred to in the printed Paper enclosed in my letter of the 2nd: Inst: Vizt. that of the Missouri, Reid from Batavia to Cowes & a Market came on this Morning; and the Judgement of the Court, which I consider as final, notwithstanding the 2 Months farther allowed to the Captors, was delivered in a style and manner which I cannot hope to express from memory alone; and I had not the...
13To James Madison from George Joy, 17 June 1815 (Madison Papers)
I have just parted from Mr Adams with whom I have had a tête à tête of five hours; and as he tells me the Neptune does not sail to morrow as reported, but on the contrary she will remain ’till the following Sunday, I shall send this by her to announce that the project, mentioned in my letter of the 12th of May, is at an end. Mr A. does not encourage it, thinks it would answer no valuable...
14To James Madison from George Joy, 23 February 1809 (Madison Papers)
By the enclosed you will perceive the use I have made of the Papers you were so good to send me. This Copy I had prepared for Mr: Whitbread who has already in his hands some Essays I had written for the Chronicle for which the Debates & ca. having left no Room, I desired the Editor to pass them into his hands; and he has since assured him he thinks them very important, and shall benefit by...
15To James Madison from George Joy, 14 September 1810 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
14 September 1810, Gothenburg. Has sent “copious Communications” to JM and to the secretary of state but vessels carrying them have been delayed by adverse winds. Requests JM to wait for the receipt of his letters before taking any measures or making any appointments relative to this region. RC ( DLC ). 1 p.
16To James Madison from George Joy, 7 January 1812 (Madison Papers)
As I am prevented proceeding to Liverpool to embark in this ship only by a doubt lately suggested by Mr: Maury whether she will proceed or not; (tho’ I think, (and so does Mr: Russell,) that no conciliatory measures on the part of this Government, are likely to detain her for a freight;) I am not prepared with such Duplicates, and other Communications, as I should otherwise have sent in her....
17To James Madison from George Joy, ca. 20 October 1810 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
Ca. 20 October 1810, Copenhagen. Reports that he arrived in Copenhagen on 11 Oct. and that he has had discussions and correspondence with the French minister and Danish cabinet officials on the subjects already mentioned in his letters of 7 Oct. and 8 Sept. The French minister asked him what he thought of the extension of the Continental System. Privately the minister admitted the absurdity of...
18To James Madison from George Joy, 23 June 1812 (Madison Papers)
I have yet received no appointment from Lord Sidmouth since I wrote you on the 20th. Instant. I may have been mistaking in his saying he would write me on Sunday but I am sure he said the appointment would not pass this day and it is now ½ past 3 O’Clock. I have sent him the letter of yesterday of which I enclose copy & which I presume reached his hands within the last hour. Having a letter...
19To James Madison from George Joy, November 1791 (Madison Papers)
I am so circumstanced in a matter of much importance to myself that on the early or late adoption of certain measures in the legislature of the U.S. depends my being involved in , or emancipated from intolerable difficulty and distress. I should not, however, presume so far on your friendship as to expect or request any immediate exertions in the business but that I conceive the Object to have...
20To James Madison from George Joy, 16 September 1810 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
16 September 1810, Gothenburg. Has not yet had an answer from Saabye to the enclosure. Reports that he has been mortified by rumors “that Mr. Joy had no authority and could therefore be of no use” in protecting American ships in the Baltic. Discusses the methods of determining commissions paid by mercantile houses and the reasons for his preference of another Copenhagen firm over Saabye’s....
21To James Madison from George Joy, 16 April 1804 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
16 April 1804, London. “I wrote you the 3rd febry. in the assurance that my letter would not reach you till after the recess.… “The subject of the present is real business, and such as I cannot but contemplate as connected with a maxim of that wise and just policy for which the purchase of Louisiana has furnished so propitious an opening.… “You are acquainted with the Arrestation of the...
22To James Madison from George Joy, 5 July 1815 (Madison Papers)
Contrary to the information of Mr Adams, the Neptune sailed on the 18th. Ult; and I shall send my letter of the 17th with this to the Isle of Wight; where I have some friends embarking for Boston. As things have turned out I could not but regret in a late conversation with Mr A. that the chance of such an effort had not been tried; and I ought perhaps to say that without giving any...
23To James Madison from George Joy, 17 April 1817 (Madison Papers)
The Speech of Mr. Monroe reached town yesterday, and is in the Chronicle of this morning. I suppose it is an Error of the Press that states the Commencement of the Revolution almost 40 years ago, and that it should be almost two & forty, contemplating the 19th Inst. —it is more than 40 since the declaration of Independence. But the felicitation that follows in this Paragraph is so much at...
24George Joy to James Madison, 22 June 1830 (Madison Papers)
It is long since I had the pleasure of addressing you, and still longer since I had that of hearing from you. The Time was when I should have troubled you with a long narrative of my political movements; but I have great repugnance to invading your repose:— otherwise I could have sent you half a Dozen folio Sheets of Correspondence with the Powers that be; in which you would recognize...
25To James Madison from George Joy, 24 May 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
24 May 1809, London. Reports varied reactions from members of the American community in London to news of the Erskine agreement. In a postscript he adds: “the Committee of American Merchants have been apprised that Mr: Erskine had exceeded his instructions & the Govt: will not ratify his Agreemt:—since confirmed by two of the Committee whom I have seen.” RC , two copies ( DLC ). 4 pp. One copy...
26To James Madison from George Joy, 2 January 1822 (Madison Papers)
If a man were to note the Coincidencies of his day, he might find a bookful of amusement in the evening of Life. Poring yesterday over an old Correspondence, I had just reached the following Viz “Had the Dollars arrived, I dare say they would have fallen to 3/ an ounce, and if I were to send an expedition to Pandæmonium to bring away the Roof in a Hurricane, Gold would fall to the same price....
27To James Madison from George Joy, 9 January 1822 (Madison Papers)
The wind did chop round and blew a Hurricane; but the Albion sailed from L’pool, & how my Letter of the 2nd. will be transmitted thence I know not. I have put a Copy on board this ship; and now, on further reflection, I take the liberty to trouble you with Copies of the Letters referred to therein. In the Letter of Mr. B. Joy’s Agent at Washington (a Mr: Alexr. Bliss, partner of Mr Webster of...
28To James Madison from George Joy, 8 January 1812 (Madison Papers)
If this should overtake, at Liverpool, my letter of yesterday, it will serve to correct an Error, which, as I did not read after writing it, escaped my notice. It passed unobserved also by the Copyist, who took it down as I wrote it, whom I asked, in my haste, if he had perceived any Mistake, and who assured me there was none. Instead of “ it would be repugnant,” I should have said “ my...
29George Joy to James Madison, 19 February 1835 (Madison Papers)
I find there is an oppy for Letters to reach the Packet of the 16th at Portsmouth. I have therefore had my Notes on the Relations with France transferred from the Shorthand, and cover them herein. If they reach the Coffee House in time, you will get them by the same Ship that takes my Letter of the 16th. I suppose the question of the Speakership is settled, and that by this Ship you will hear...
30To James Madison from George Joy, 26 July 1805 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
§ From George Joy. 26 July 1805, London. “I have yet to thank you for your favor of the 10th Novr. I had of course communicated to Mr. Monroe the information I possessed relative to the south American Claims, and I greatly regret that his Efforts in that business have been unavailing. “Should any farther measures be adopted which can with propriety be communicated I should be greatly obliged...
31To James Madison from George Joy, 25 March 1815 (Madison Papers)
Of all the Events of this eventful period in which our lot is cast, that which has recently taken place is surely the most astonishing. To pretend not to be astounded at it would be an affectation of Stoicism beyond the Stupor of an American Indian. The Question of the Peace of Europe is as much afloat as ever; and how to speculate upon it, is really beyond all depth. The french military is...
32To James Madison from George Joy, 10 February 1807 (Madison Papers)
I believe I promised you, in my last a transcript of certain marginal Notes on the Pamphlet you were so good as to send me: but besides that copying my own writing is the last of all possible amusements, and my Nephew having been all the time absent; I found the question it treats of drawing to a Conclusion which was not likely to be influenced by any discussion between you and me. I did not...
33To James Madison from George Joy, 14 October 1808 (Madison Papers)
I avail myself of Mr. Purviance, whom I have just now met at Mr. Pinkney’s, and who informs me he is leaving town to embark from Liverpool, to hand you the Substance of an Order in Council expected to appear in the Gazette of tomorrow Evening. On a cursory Review of this paper it Struck me as containing Some oblique Symptoms of a gradual and Silent Retreat from the Orders in Council of Novr:...
34To James Madison from George Joy, 7 October 1810 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
7 October 1810, Gothenburg. Reports that his letter of 16 Sept. to JM had not left the port when he received the enclosed letter from Saabye. Finds Saabye’s reply personally satisfactory and is convinced that Saabye is a man of integrity; but is still at a loss how to proceed. Suspects that there is an effort to “conceal from our Countrymen the Object of my residence in these cold Regions.”...
35To James Madison from George Joy, 20 December 1808 (Madison Papers)
I am no Advocate for the Pride of Consistency, which often degenerates into obstinacy; and when rightly understood has not equal Claim to Commendation with an honest Change of opinion, on receiving new lights, or a Candid Confession of previous Error. It is not therefore with a view to Shew how far I was right in my early Prognostics, (for in many of these I have been egregiously wrong,) that...
36To James Madison from George Joy, 15 August 1811 (Madison Papers)
I have just crossed the Sound in much better Health than when I left this place. You will perceive, in the concluding Paragraph of my letter to my Brother of the 21st. ultimo, that it was not my intention to cross the Atlantic very soon. Some Murmurs that have reached me have induced serious thoughts however of making the Voyage from this place; and further consideration, to take England in my...
37To James Madison from George Joy, 29 May 1822 (Madison Papers)
I left town before it was known what Letter Bags might float ashore from the Albion; some having found their way at intervals to London. On my return Mr Rush has informed me that he has every reason to suppose there were Despatches on board her for him; and as two regular Ships have since arrived, I send this merely to apprize you that anything you may have favored me with by that Conveyance...
38To James Madison from George Joy, 17 May 1808 (Madison Papers)
The Osage furnishes so good an opportunity that I am induced to avail myself of it to hand you sundry papers with which I did not intend to trouble you, and which may therefore wait your leisure for their perusal. Besides Copies of such of my Letters as may from the late interruptions have miscarried; I hand you a Correspondence with Sir Isaac Coffin on the subject of Impressments; part of...
39George Joy to James Madison, 18 June 1835 (Madison Papers)
I have two members watching the progress of the Registration and Impressment Bills; and I shall leave to the Press to inform you what is passing in publick on that subject with the more Confidence; as I presume the Editors in the U. S. will suffer nothing bearing upon it to escape them. The enclosed Copy of a Letter, I have sent to Lord John Russell, will show the project which I had suggested...
40To James Madison from George Joy, 5 October 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
5 October 1809, Gothenburg, Sweden. Transmits copy of his letter to JM of 9 Sept. Awaits in Gothenburg the arrival of “the Documents necessary to support my Pretensions,” which have been delayed by irregular mail and wartime interruptions. If he does not receive papers within forty-eight hours, proposes proceeding to Copenhagen without them. The wind and weather make it possible that the...
41To James Madison from George Joy, 3 August 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
3 August 1809, London. Encloses draft of a memorial to the king of Denmark and Norway protesting Danish depredations on U.S. shipping. These attacks on “no less than fifty four ships” are the latest object of Joy’s attention and diverted him from taking up his post as American consul in Holland. The American minister in London has advised him “to deviate from his intended Voyage [to Holland]...
42To James Madison from George Joy, 31 May 1809 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
31 May 1809, London. Has read the parliamentary debates on the Erskine agreement, which “are best reported in the Chronicle.” No doubt JM is better informed “than we can be here.” Encloses a copy of the instructions accompanying the 26 Apr. revision of the orders in council, as well as his letter to Canning in which Joy expresses his disappointment at the foreign secretary’s adamant stand...
43To James Madison from George Joy, 8 March 1824 (Madison Papers)
I cover this Paper because it contains, I fear too true a Picture of France. I remember to have written to you, some twenty years ago, I am afraid with more levity than was becoming, that that People did not know a Bill of Rights from a Cabbage Plant —meaning the Mass, for surely they have had men among them that understood the Principles of Civil Liberty— but in fact they are not a thinking...
44To James Madison from George Joy, [30 January 1823] (Madison Papers)
Neither Captn. Pott, nor his Broker could refer me to any Bookseller that was shipping by the Henry Clay, or I should have got him to add the Books for you to his Invoice and instruct his Correspondent to transmit them to you. Mr Rush had made no Ceremony of sending a Book occasionally to a public Character thro’ the Department of State in a Letter. Colo: Aspinwall said that Books were often...
45George Joy to James Madison, 11 June 1834 (Madison Papers)
I wrote you on the 4th ⅌ Philadelphia Packet enclosing copy of a letter of ancient date to my Brother, in which I believe the words "to Hamburg" after the words "in the Launch" in the 1st page were omitted by the copyist. There is a panegyric on Lafayette, in the Times of this morning, which I suppose will be transferred to the American Papers, in which the Author expresses his wonder that he...
46To James Madison from George Joy, 23 February 1815 (Madison Papers)
The delay of Mr: Welles by contrary winds enables me to add to my Letter of the 19th four other numbers of my Conciliator Vizt: Ns 5, 6, 7 and 9. If farther delay should occur I shall forward the remainder which are copying for that purpose. Always very respectfully Dr sir Your most obedt servt: RC and enclosures ( DLC ). RC docketed by JM . Joy enclosed manuscript copies of his “Conciliator”...
47To James Madison from George Joy, 1 March 1820 (Madison Papers)
It is so long since I received your last letter, that, tho’ carefully preserved, it is out of my immediate reach; and it would take a longer time to get at it than the occasion requires, seeing it’s substance, as well as that of your more remote Correspondence is too interesting to be at any time beyond my powers of reminiscence. I am greatly obliged by your efforts in my favor; I assure you,...
48To James Madison from George Joy, 9 June 1811 (Abstract) (Madison Papers)
9 June 1811, Copenhagen. Reports arrival on 30 May of Erving who gave him JM’s letter of 28 Jan. The documents he sent to JM and the secretary of state will show how he protracted the most important cases until Erving’s arrival, and he has no doubt decisions can be delayed “till Mr: Erving has had sufficient opportunity to confer with Count Rozenkrantz.” His own conversation with the latter...
49To James Madison from George Joy, 30 March 1816 (Madison Papers)
There is a great dearth of news at this time from the U.S. and little doing here that has any relation to them. I am sorry that I never received any reply from you directly or indirectly on the subject of my proposition for an informal negociation with the King of France. The least encouragement of the measure from you, would, I have no doubt, have been seconded by Mr. Adams, who has known me...
50To James Madison from George Joy, 16 March 1824 (Madison Papers)
I sent you on the 4th Ult: the Debates on the King’s Speech; and I now cover to your address those on the Motion of the Marquess of Lansdown. I also annex Extracts from my Correspondence with Mr. Adams to which my recollection has been called by the speech of Lord Ellenborough. It is as well to know the true Case; which his Lordship evidently does not know. It is indeed very possible that...