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To James Madison from George Joy, 8 March 1824

From George Joy

12 Paper Buildings
Temple London
8th March 1824

Dear sir,

I cover this Paper because it contains, I fear too true a Picture of France.1 I remember to have written to you, some twenty years ago, I am afraid with more levity than was becoming, that that People did not know a Bill of Rights from a Cabbage Plant2—meaning the Mass, for surely they have had men among them that understood the Principles of Civil Liberty— but in fact they are not a thinking People; and I dont wonder that la Fayette is abandoning them in despair. Here is also a Correction of a Report of a Speech of Canning at Sir James Macintosh; which I hold important. I suspect there is some obstruction in the negociation with Spain; but I know not, neither can I in time for this Conveyance, the Character of the Counsellors dismissed by Ferdinand. The funds have fallen a trifle to day—should they droop more tomorrow I shall begin to augur something sinister to the “unexampled prosperity” of which a long continuance is anticipated: for tho’ this is not always a good barometer; yet a great fall, with the Market, as it is, full of money, might be set down for something. I have not sought of late, in the channels which I consulted in my former Correspondence with you, for that early and authentic information which the Interests of our Country demanded; but if I should remain in Europe, and South America become the theatre of Conflict between holy Despotism and unhallowed freedom; I shall again look about me. This is not expected here; but less probable Events have occurred—to say the truth I am afraid there is a want of the stamina and perseverance there, without which the U. S. had been nothing; to say nothing of integrity and unanimity. But we shall see if we live long enough. Always very faithfully Dear sir, your very hble servt.

G. Joy

RC (DLC).

1The London Times of 8 Mar. 1824 carried a long report on the French elections to the Chamber of Deputies, as well as a correction to the report of Foreign Secretary George Canning’s answer to Scottish member of Parliament Sir James Mackintosh on Spanish affairs.

2Joy to JM, 3 Aug. 1803, PJM-SS description begins Robert J. Brugger et al., eds., The Papers of James Madison: Secretary of State Series (10 vols. to date; Charlottesville, Va., 1986–). description ends , 5:275.

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