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To John Jay from John de Neufville & Son, 13 July 1780

From John de Neufville & Son

Amsterdam the 13th. July 1780—

Honored Sir,

Never Letter could have been more welcome than the favor, your Excy. honored us with of the 25th of past month; as she expresses a true Concern about the Bills drawn on Mr: Laurens and her approbation of our Conduct; as we from the beginning acted from Principle in the American cause & never will prevaricate; this is only from the same motive, but we must be sorry if we should not be supported; and thus it is out of your Exys. Power to do it—1 We cannot judge how far those drafts may go—and if we had not expected that your Excy. as well as his Excy B. Franklin should have been willing & able to answer for a trifle as one or two hundred thousand Guilders, or such a matter as this it would have been a folly to undertake it— Doctr. Franklin wrote to us. People would be satisfied to have the Bills unregistered but we found the contrary, several of them would have then duly protested, and until to day we have again accepted them all, but how it further will go, we do not know— We were sensible again to the hint your Excy. pleased to give us, of making a Loan here; We might from time to time have got here some money in that way if properly authorized, and our good will & Influence certainly would have brought it further, than it had been at the house which hath formerly been entrusted with it, and we have long ago desired a loan should have been opened in our hands, but we never could properly obtain it; A trifle of Allowance, & chiefly the largeness of the summs which was requested from us to answer at once prevented it—so we did not fall on the Idea of mentioning it again; We can, we may work for the Glory, but on a large scale we cannot sacrifice our own— Every catastrophe in favor, or agt: America hath with our public the greatest Influence on the minds— So the Capture of Charlestown would be very much against us in the moment for such a purpose & tho’ we could not flatter ourselves to go any length with it—every particular circumstance might revive the American Spirit; and it would even require some time before such a power was brought into due terms whereon we could engage any thing. This is certain that in a moment as critical as the present, a small sum could save the honor of Congress, & in that lyght could not be paid too dear— Which made us think on a method that your Excy: could employ a Banker & likewise Dr: Franklin, that we drawing on either of your Excellencies; if we were sure they would approve of it we could prolong the terms with all probability, & mostly without any doubt as long as should be needful; and until the arrival of Mr: Laurens, and that by his means, & Instructions proper measures could be taken— We must also expect that Congress, as the first days of May, she was informed that Mr: Laurens was not sailed, will have been attentive to provide for those Bills, and have ponderated the consequence of it, as we do in Europe— We write the same Idea to Doctr: Franklin, and propose if he should not approve of such a method or find a better to empower us for a Loan, as we know we he had formerly Instructions thereabout— We are too nice & anxious for the Credit of Congress, that we should make any use thereof, if it should hurt matters any way— But it is not possible to know what may be done before a proper tryal, for we are obliged at last to speak plain, that whatever Bills now further should offer we cannot accept of any more; we wish our proposals may not seem incongruous— We make them with the more assurance, as we are not conducted by any other motive, than by the most extended desire to prevent every difficulty which could any way hinder the Reputation of the United States— We have the honor to be with the most sensible Acknowledgments for favors received and with the most extended Regard— Honored Sir, Your Excys. most devoted and most obedient Humbl Servants—

(Signed) John de Neufville & Son2

C, NNC (EJ: 7897, 7890), one of a group of letters endorsed: “Copies of Letters to & / from Messrs. De Neufville / of amsterdam—/ 1780 / 6 April–4 Oct.” LbkCs, enclosed in JJ to the President of Congress, 30 Nov. (first letter), below, DNA: PCC, item 110, 1: 369–72 (EJ: 4153); NNC: JJ Lbk. 1; CSmH.

1The firm of John de Neufville & Son had offered its services to JJ in a letter of 6 Apr. 1780, C, NNC (EJ: 7890); LbkCs, DNA: PCC, item 110, 1: 358–59 (EJ: 4145); CSmH (EJ: 3392); NNC: JJ Lbk. 1. On 8 June, Neufville wrote JJ to inform him that he had engaged to accept some of the bills Congress had drawn on Laurens, and that he anticipated that funds to the amount he had advanced could easily be provided for both in France and Spain. In letters of 18 and 25 June, C, NNC (EJ: 4150, 7896), JJ thanked the firm for its generosity and liberality, promised to forward its proposals to Congress, and stated that at present he had neither instructions nor means to cover any of its advance. He did, however, discuss the offer with Montmorin (see JJ to Carmichael, 27 June 1780, Dft, NNC [EJ: 7651]). JJ assured Neufville that Congress would honor the debt but asserted that there was little likelihood that reimbursement would come soon. Cs, NNC (EJ: 7890, 789496); LbkCs, enclosed in JJ to the President of Congress, 30 Nov. (first letter), below, DNA: PCC, item 110, 1: 358–59 (EJ: 415052); CSmH (EJ: 3397–99); NNC: JJ Lbk. 1. BF took a similar position. See his letter to JJ of 13 June, above. JJ later inquired whether the firm could raise funds on a Spanish guarantee offered to JJ in September. On Neufville and the bills drawn by Congress on Henry Laurens, see the Committee for Foreign Affairs to JJ and BF, 11 July 1780, above; JJ to Philip Schuyler, 25 Nov. 1780; JJ to Neufville, 8 Jan. 1781, enclosed in JJ to the President of Congress, 25 Apr. 1781; JJ to BF, 21 Feb. 1781; JJ to JA, 24 Feb. 1781, all below; and Pieter J. van Winter, American Finance and Dutch Investment, 1780–1805, trans. James C. Riley (New York, 1977), 1: 29–31, 44–52. On the Spanish guarantee, see JJ to John de Neufville & Son, 4 Oct. 1780, below.

2In subsequent correspondence JJ thanked the firm profusely for its efforts, reported his difficulties in covering bills drawn upon him, and ultimately expressed satisfaction that BF had engaged to cover bills drawn on Laurens that were presented prior to Laurens’s arrival. See JJ’s letters of 29 July and 16 Aug., and John de Neufville & Son to JJ, 28 July, Cs, NNC (EJ: 7890, 7898, 7899, 7900); LbkCs, enclosed in JJ to the President of Congress, 30 Nov. (first letter), below, DNA: PCC, item 110, 1: 372–76 (EJ: 415456); CSmH; NNC: JJ Lbk. 1; and JJ to BF, 16 Aug., Dft, NNC (EJ: 7796); E, NN: Bancroft (EJ: 2799); and PBF description begins William B. Willcox et al., eds., The Papers of Benjamin Franklin (39 vols. to date; New Haven, Conn., 1959–) description ends , 33: 199–200. Congress expressed gratitude for Neufville’s services in its letter to JJ of 28 May 1781, below.

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