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To James Madison from George Joy, 25 March 1815

From George Joy

13 Finsbury Square
London
25 March 1815

Dear sir,

Of all the Events of this eventful period in which our lot is cast, that which has recently taken place is surely the most astonishing.1 To pretend not to be astounded at it would be an affectation of Stoicism beyond the Stupor of an American Indian. The Question of the Peace of Europe is as much afloat as ever; and how to speculate upon it, is really beyond all depth. The french military is everything; the People nothing; and the reflecting part of the nation, which never was very numerous, reduced by Events that have paralysed them, are placed in that ambiguous situation that one Knows not when or what to expect from them. The Memoir of Carnot indeed, which every one ought to read, would indicate that the Spirit of freedom is not quite extinct; but the vigorous pen of this Colossus of Republicanism shows you at the same time his despair of seeing a practical Government established according to the best theories; and he seems as much bitten by the mad Dog of martial fame as the vainest Coxcomb in the Army.2

The best thing that can be hoped from this movement is that, in the Auction for the Empire, the nation may be able to stipulate for those salutary Checks that will bridle the ambition of it’s Cheif; but unhappily here, as in the Case of Didius, it is the Army that conveys the Title;3 and if not in the same form, it is essentially their Emolument that is the Price of it.

I have heard that Mr Crawford has expressed much satisfaction at this Event, and from the same person who not long since gave me a very favorable report of his discretion and abilities. The first information was founded, among other things, upon personal intercourse; the last I presume is only an On dit,4 and I hope it is not true. What progress Mr: C. may have made with the Bourbons I know not. I have never heard any thing to contradict the assertion of their favorable dispositions, conveyed to him by Talleyrand; and they have hardly tricked him into the belief of the absence, all this time, of the Minister of foreign affairs. And if the great error of the King, in ascribing his Crown to the Prince Regent,5 have induced him to listen to the pretensions of Buonapartical influence, propagated here; I should hope that, at least, after the cordial manner in which the Duke of Wellington announced the peace to Mr: C, a different temper would prevail, whereas if it be true that Mr: C. is rejoiced at these disasters, they must have treated him as cavalierly as the Duke of Bassano. Mr Crawford, I am told, tho’ with much assiduity he has acquired a competant knowledge of the french language on paper since he came to Europe, cannot speak it. This is a great disadvantage. Undoubtedly a solid man without it, is better than a Jackanapes with nothing else; but I am surprized that a thing so useful and so easily acquired, is not more cultivated. Impostures and prejudices are frequently removed by personal intercourse which will not yield to written Correspondence, tho’ the mutual elucidations of both are better than either. At the present moment how useful it might be to urge propositions from the contending Parties to be sent to our Govt: for approval. For me, I have no hesitation to say that if I had any authority I would go to the Bourbon and bow to him, like an Infidel to the Statue of Jupiter Olympus, begging not to be forgotten if the ancien regime should be restored. And I even regret that I suffered myself to be dissuaded by Mr Gallatinº from publishing my Conciliator last summer, that I might have pointed to it as evidence, not made for the occasion, that we had been within an ace of making war upon this Animal, whom we have been pretended to have been aiding and assisting.

I regret for another reason that this work was not before the publick; since it now appears that in respect to the great and important question of Impressment, it could have done no harm. I am far from satisfied that it would have done any good; but I am for trying all things. If the public attention could have been so excited; (and it might have been while the property Tax was […]over the people;) as to induce a Current of […] Enquiry into the true Case; that peste mig⟨ht⟩ possibly have been removed. ⟨Indeed the⟩ possibility might have been enhanced, if in ⟨addi⟩tion to such excitement I had received the authority I requested in the shape of Commissary of Prisoners to enable me to hold those familiar Conversations with official Characters from which I derived so much benefit at Copenhagen; and the success of which from the specimen I had with Dr: Adams before his departure for Ghent, and the evident Effect of my Letter to Lord Sidmouth on the subject of the detention, as prisoners, of the men impressed before the War, ought not to be despaired of. And here I must express my regret at the premature exposure of the Instructions upon this point, whereby they must have been in the hands of the British Commissioners before it was settled.6 I have only time to add that I am always, most truly Dear sir, Your friend & servt.

Geo: Joy

RC (DLC: Rives Collection, Madison Papers). Cover docketed by JM. Damaged by removal of seal.

1Joy referred to Napoleon’s escape from Elba and 20 Mar. 1815 arrival in Paris with the support of the army. Louis XVIII had fled the city shortly before, and Napoleon proceeded to form a government there (Connelly et al., Historical Dictionary of Napoleonic France, 246; Lefebvre, Napoleon: From Tilsit to Waterloo, 360–61).

2Joy probably referred to Lazare Carnot, Memorial of M. Carnot, Lieutenant-General in the French Army, … Addressed to His Most Christian Majesty, Louis XVIII, … , 2nd ed., trans. Lewis Goldsmith (London, [1815]), which Carnot wrote before Napoleon’s return to power. It sharply criticized Louis and the French royalists, defended France’s military record, and asserted that “the Military returned to their homes are the depositaries of the national glory, … Let those brave men feel sensibly that that glory is at this day not their recompense alone, but the paladium of whatever liberty remains to us” (ibid., 12–13, 19–20, 26). Carnot had served as France’s de facto minister of war during the 1790s and officially held the same position for a short time under Napoleon (Connelly et al., Historical Dictionary of Napoleonic France, 98–99).

3Joy referred to Didius Julianus, who bought the throne of Rome in AD 193 by offering a higher payment to the army than did his competitor, Titus Flavius Sulpicianus (Michael Grant, The Roman Emperors: A Biographical Guide to the Rulers of Imperial Rome, 31 BC–AD 476 [London, 1996], 105–6).

4It is said.

5Joy referred to Louis XVIII’s 10 Apr. 1814 speech in London, replying to congratulations offered by the Prince Regent: “It is by your R. Highness’s councils, to this great country, and to the constancy of its people, that I shall always ascribe under Providence, the restoration of our House to the throne of our ancestors” (Alexandria Gazette, Commercial and Political, 14 June 1814).

6James Monroe’s instructions to the U.S. peace commissioners, which JM transmitted to Congress on 13 Oct. 1814, were soon after published in U.S. newspapers (PJM-PS description begins Robert A. Rutland et al., eds., The Papers of James Madison: Presidential Series (9 vols. to date; Charlottesville, Va., 1984–). description ends 8:303 and n. 1; Daily National Intelligencer, 17–18 Oct. 1814).

Authorial notes

[The following note(s) appeared in the margins or otherwise outside the text flow in the original source, and have been moved here for purposes of the digital edition.]

º * through Harris, not per se; for I never saw MrG. but once and then for less than a minute at Mr. Bayard’s Door.

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