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John Adams to Franklin and John Jay, 20 February 1784

John Adams to Franklin and John Jay5

AL (draft): Massachusetts Historical Society

The Hague Feb. 20. 1784

Gentlemen

The Day before Yesterday the Baron de Thuilemeyer6 the Envoy to their High Mightinesses, from the King of Prussia, did me the Honour of a Visit, but as I had Company, he stayed but a short time; As I accompanied him to the Door, he told me, that he had Something to Say to me from the King, and desird me to name an Hour, when he might call upon me again. I told him his Hour should be mine, and that I would return his Visit at any hour he should choose the next day; But he choose to call upon me and mentioned Eleven in the Morning. Accordingly Yesterday he came, and told me “that the King who honoured him with a Personal Correspondence, and who was acquainted with my Character by Reputation, had directed him to make me a Visit, and to observe to me, that as his Subjects had occasion for our Tobacco and perhaps other Things, and as We had Occasion for Silesia Linnens, and perhaps other Productions of his Dominions, he thought an Arrangement might be made between his Majesty and the United States, which would be beneficial on both Sides,” and the Baron desired to know my Sentiments of it.7

I Answered him “that I was very Sensible of the Honour done me by his Majesty, but that I had Singly no Authority to treat, or enter into Conferences officially upon the subject. That Congress had been pleased to confer upon their late Ministers at the Peace, Authority to enter into Conferences. That I could do nothing but in Concurrence with Mr Franklin and Mr Jay who were at Paris: but I thought I could answer for the good Dispositions of those Ministers as well as my own for forming an Arrangement between the two Powers, which might be beneficial to both.— That I would write to you, Gentlemen an account of what had passed between Us.”8 He desired that I would, and said he would, write by the first Post to the King, and enquire if his Majesty had any Thing in particular to propose, would inform him of my Answer, and wait his further Orders, which probably he should receive, as soon as I should have an Answer from Paris.—

I have at last obtained Some better hopes of Saving Mr Morris’s Bills which become payable in this Month & March but have as yet nothing like Certainty of Saving those in May. And if fresh Bills appear, which I very much fear, We must fail at last.— However, I have agreed to open a new Loan, and must stay here to Sign the Instruments & Obligations, having obtaind a Promise, of Money to Save the Bills in March, So that I Shall not be able to join you Gentlemen, for sometime.9

I Suppose We may make the Treaty with Holland or that with Sweeden, in general the Model of one with Prussia. If you think any alterations necessary, they may be proposed to the King either by the Baron de Goltz or de Thuilemeyer. Meantime I think it would be proper for you Gentlemen to write to Congress for a Commission to treat & conclude for I take it for granted that no Power can conclude with Us, without any other full Power than our Instructions.

Their Excellencies Benjamin Franklin & John Jay Esqrs.>

[Note numbering follows the Franklin Papers source.]

5This letter was forwarded by Dumas. His covering letter of Feb. 20 (now missing) is noted in his letterbook: Nationaal Archief.

6Friedrich Wilhelm von Thulemeier: XXXIX, 84n.

7The previous spring, Frederick II had instructed Goltz, his minister at Versailles, to approach BF on the same subject. BF forwarded to America the lists he received of Prussian products suitable for export to the United States: XL, 363. On Nov. 17 Frederick directed Goltz to follow up on these conversations. The minister replied on Dec. 2 that BF still had received no response from America, but was enthusiastic about direct trade with Prussia. On Feb. 15, 1784, Goltz reported that BF, unable to leave Passy, had sent word through WTF that he still had nothing specific to communicate. When pressed by Goltz to explain Congress’ lack of interest, WTF replied that there was at present no secretary for foreign affairs and that Congress was preoccupied with domestic issues. WTF added that even his grandfather, who had requested his recall three months earlier, had not yet received an answer.

Frederick, in the meantime, had learned that “a certain Adams” had been sent to Holland. On Feb. 9 he instructed Thulemeier to sound out JA about the possibility of an arrangement whereby Americans would buy linen from the Prussians and sell them Va. tobacco. Thulemeier’s report to the king about his Feb. 19 meeting with JA conforms to JA’s account in this letter and in his March 9 letter to Congress (Adams Papers, XVI, 77–9): Friedrich Kapp, Friedrich der Grosse und die Vereinigten Staaten von Amerika (Leipzig, 1871), pp. 96–9.

8JA here wrote but deleted, “But that it was possible you might have already announced to the Baron de Goltz, the. That I should be”.

9JA procured a loan of 2,000,000 f. on March 9: Adams Correspondence, V, 316n.

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